Advise on Casinos to Promote.

[buddy m]

Hi All, I have always promoted only sportsbooks, but now I am venturing out and not knowing much about Online Casinos I wanted to ask you guys/gals if you could recommend 3 or 4 USA facing casinos that are good, both to players and affiliates. I target the US so I'm not looking for any that arent focused on the States. Thanks

 

[KasinoKing]

Would help if you said who you are already promoting...

Casino Groups WITHOUT sports books who are very good for players & affiliates:
Extreme
Deckmedia
Legend
Jackpot Capital Group

KK

 

[NDG]

Top One Partners is another good US-friendly affiliate program.

 

[LandofOz]

I can recommend Deckmedia as it seems to have the best conversion and retention rates.

 

[buddy m]

Would help if you said who you are already promoting...

Casino Groups WITHOUT sports books who are very good for players & affiliates:
Extreme
Deckmedia
Legend
Jackpot Capital Group

KK

I don’t promote any casinos, my site has only 5 sportsbooks. I have a website I am working on called Highest Rated Casinos which I hope to have up end of November. I am also bringing back Bookie Terms and I might do another sportsbooks site with more books than I have with Top 5 Sportsbooks. As a side note if I use any suggestions I will sign up under the link any of you may provide

 

[Guard Dog]

I can recommend Deckmedia as it seems to have the best conversion and retention rates.

We have seen some negative signs from Deck Media of late to be aware of: https://www.casinolistings.com/foru...-withdrawal-request-from-desert-nights-casino

 

[melcb]

My list of recommended programs:

Casino Extreme
Slotland Affiliates
Superior Share
Income-Network
SlotsVendor
Deckmedia
Legend Affiliates
Jackpot Capital Group
Intertops (Platinum sponsor program
Top One Partners (Platinum sponsor program)
Mainstreet Affiliates
Betting Partners

 

[Joonas]

Look for properly US licensed casinos. Unibet, 888, Virgin, and PartyCasino seems to have at least.

 

[ocportal]

I think you need to some type of affiliate license for promoting legit US casino brands, the only brands I worked with from those have been Virgin and 888, while Virgin was UK targeted and in those times it did convert very well. Anyhow be aware that when they merged to a different affiliate program they didnt respect the rvs agreements anymore and all players went lost, so did a lot of money so even Virgin Casino is bad after all. From 888 I had promoted lucky ace (its a scammy company) commissions were not paid... so take care who you promote, most are not worth the collaboration. Good luck with your choice.

 

[AussieDave]

We have seen some negative signs from Deck Media of late to be aware of: https://www.casinolistings.com/foru...-withdrawal-request-from-desert-nights-casino

Whilst it's always a very disheartening experience to have winnings voided due to bonus T&C's violation, the account of what took place, along with the fact Desert Nights does not have RTG, seems like something is amiss here.

Reading the account of events, the player initially is doubtful he exceeded the max bet while engaged in a bonus. Later saying: "I thought you could not exceed $10 as many RTG casinos' rules state. The thing is that I might have bet $7 a few times. But whatever I won came from lower bets."

Thing is though Desert Nights only has Rival and Saucify. It doesn't have RTG games. Hence the reference to RTG is a moot point in relation to Desert Nights Casino. The player later goes on to state:

https://www.casinolistings.com/foru...quest-from-desert-nights-casino#comment-72800

The first was that in the back of my mind I could not bet $10 or more. These were the rules that I was used to at other casinos. The second thing was that when I tried to play some 3d games, I got a warning and I was prevented from doing so because of the bonus. Therefore, since I din't get any warning for any other games, I assumed all other bets were legal.

"Other casinos" are not Desert Nights. The player clearly didn't read the Desert Nights bonus T&C;'s etc. And, only did so after his winnings were voided. Not to mention, the RTG statements - which no one picked up on!

Never known this casino group to stand steadfast on a decision, on a player's non-intentional mistake. That, and the RTG confusion, makes me think there were other factors at play here, which weren't disclosed by said player.

I'm sure the player would receive similar feedback/opinions from the CM forum, as I've stated above.

 

[CL-Ed]

I am the one who was trying to help the player in that linked thread. The group has a bunch of other RTG casinos that the player has played at which all have the $10 max bet rule, which is what the player was assuming and where the confusion lies. The player was just stating that was what they were used to. I don't know why you are fixating on it or why you would think that really makes a difference. Focus on the important stuff:

• The player won about $4000.
• After doing so they made a total of 16 bets of $7 which is a whole 50c over the $6.50 limit (which is $10 at all their other casinos). The player did this unintentionally of course and we know this because no advantage player or bonus abuser would do so deliberately after having a big win. It is 2019 yet the casino software still doesn't stop them from doing so.
• They lost $96 on those 16 bets.
• We all know the rule is intended to stop people from loading up on huge bets up front then grinding out the wagering after a big win, which is the exact opposite of what has happened in this case.
  
• Nevertheless the casino used that as an excuse to void the entire winnings.

And let me assure you it is far from the first time. I have been personally dealing with complaints against this group just like that one over and over for the past few years. They are merciless in enforcement of these rules even in obvious cases of people making honest mistakes, and as a group they are now pretty much the #1 source of complaints through our site (outright well known rogues excepted). I am sick and tired of it.

Here are some more I found that you can read about:
Uptown Aces (2017 and 2018)
Miami Club (2017)
SlotoCash last week

There are more that we have dealt with privately because they were not posted publicly on our forum. We have not been successful in getting anyone paid anything except that first Uptown Aces case where we convinced them to pay a fraction of the win (and of course the progressive jackpot money disappeared, never to return to the pot). It has gotten to the point where we will not even try intervening any more because it is a waste of time.

No-one is disputing that these players broke the rules. I am not accusing this group of being outright rogue. But in many cases it is clear the players did so unwittingly and after winning big, sometimes in the excitement of finishing off the wagering requirements to make a withdrawal. Deckmedia knows this keeps happening yet they have done absolutely nothing to prevent it.

Every time I ask Paul (who is a lovely AM with no power to change anything) when are they going to enforce the limits in the software and every time I am given a non-committal answer blaming RTG or Rival or WGS or whoever. Sure, the suppliers aren't implementing that but you can bet that is because their customers - i.e. casinos like those run by Deckmedia - are not demanding it. Why? To me the answer is obvious. If they program their casinos to prevent people betting over the limits then not only would it stop the advantage players betting big up front, they wouldn't be able to avoid paying out in cases like these. There is no other realistic explanation. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

Never known this casino group to stand steadfast on a decision, on a player's non-intentional mistake.

Well now you know.

 

[buddy m]

We have seen some negative signs from Deck Media of late to be aware of: https://www.casinolistings.com/foru...-withdrawal-request-from-desert-nights-casino

Thanks for that information.

 

[AussieDave]

Well now you know.

I respect the fact your representing one of your players(?) but there are still oodles of casinos who don't have a max-bonus-bet warning, which stops players exceeding their max-bonus-bet rule(s) if they have them. CasinoMeister, ThePogg and others having been banging on to players since year DOT to always read the T&C's. I do it, and I would hope other ethical affiliates do it too.

However, ignorance is no excuse. If your player had read all the T&C's instead of assuming, then he/she would have known about the $7 max rule being applied here, and not the $10 rule applied at their other casinos. Whether this person only made $96 in disallowed bets or many thousands, they're all moot point because this player broke T&C's max bet rule.

You offer up 3 additional cases about a casino group, who have been in operation, for over a decade. If they were truly up to anything dodgy, there would be a LOT of complaints, which would be easily found.

While Paul is a nice guy, I agree it seems his hands are tied at having player issues esculated. And, while making this $7 bet limit crystal clear is what one expects, I'll reiterating, a casino expects each player to make themselves aware of the casino's T&C's, General Rules and Bonus conditions before commencement of play.

These casinos are all considered Grey Market. On your own admission the player has gambled at their other casinos. Maybe if your player sought out casinos which did not permit bets higher than the bonus allow, then he/she wouldn't be in this position to start with... Everyone has choice where they deposit. Sound like this player made some bad choices by not reading the T&C's.

Agreed it's a crappy wrap to lose $4K, but rules are rules.

Edit:
Your player has played at their other casinos, so he/she knew there was no bonus-bet-warning, yet contined to deposit with this Group. Then decided to play at another of their casinos. Knowing this "fact" (non bonus bet-warning) should have been enough knowledge to tell this person to read the T&C's etc., etc., etc. But that didn't happen.

Furthermore, trying to assert that Deckmedia casinos are clip-joints, when the onus is on the player to make himself/herself full aware of the each casino's T&C's etc., etc., etc, before commencement of play, is even a bit rich for my usual stance against bad casino practices.

And as I pointed out in my other post...
Desert Nights does not have RTG. The facts about this case get more and more divergent as it goes along.

At the end of the day: It's no one elses fault, except the player in concern, here.

 

[CL-Ed]

You sound sadly like the Deckmedia casino support staff I've had to deal with over and over again over the past few years.

There's a lot of stuff there that I have already rebutted and I have neither the time nor the inclination to keep going over this here, which I am sure everybody else here will appreciate.

With due respect I can tell from what you have written that I am far more familiar with this operation and its practices over the past few years than you are. Perhaps it's better to leave it at that and let people reading this make up their own mind.

 

[CL-Ed]

Never known this casino group to stand steadfast on a decision, on a player's non-intentional mistake.

Here's another one for you. Player won $30k, unknowingly broke the big bet rule after the win (and lost heaps in a short time in the process) and they refuse to pay.

For those who know the people behind Deckmedia better than me - can anybody tell me if/when they changed ownership? I can't reconcile their conduct over the past few years with how they used to be in their early days. I have been told they are now under Israeli ownership but no-one can give me any concrete info.

 

[AussieDave]

@CL-Ed - this really is a bee under your bonnet, hey!

With regards to your comment directed at me:

You sound sadly like the Deckmedia casino support staff I've had to deal with over and over again over the past few years.

I didn't see that comment...However, and FYI I ran DodgyOnlineCasinoHistory.net for over 10 years. Aside from circa 2016 where, I tried marketing casinos for approx 6 months, then pulled them, the rest of the time I tirelessly fought for both players and affiliates since lately 2009. So don't come here making me out like I'm some affiliate with no ethics.

If a player chooses not to read a casino's T&C's that's not my fault.

It's not the casino's fault.

The fault lays 100% with the player.

 

[CL-Ed]

You're dead right. It definitely is a bee under my bonnet. It is completely unacceptable that casinos can lay traps for players like these in T&Cs, not even attempt to enforce said T&Cs in the product they offer, then use them to get out of paying a win. Doubly so in cases of obvious accidents by an unwitting player, which as you will recall, you stated you'd never known this casino group to hold against a player. That's twice now I've shown you to be wrong on that count. There are many more we know of.

Contrast Deckmedia's repeated response on these cases to that of the Genesis Group, another operator that we've seen waive the equivalent rule in a near identical case due to our intervention. The world is not black and white. There is always context and a responsible operator would look at things like this on a case by case basis and act accordingly.

I get it. You're so long in this industry and have been so conditioned by the repeated abuses carried out by casinos against their own customers that you view it as acceptable conduct. Unfortunately despite talking a big game about fairness and ethics, you seem unable to see things from the point of view of a player who is not so experienced and that is ripe for the taking by unscrupulous operators. I'm sorry but you have chugged the casino kool-aid on this issue.

 

[Brian]

As mentioned in another post Comeon and L & L Europe have individuals within their ranks with very little scruples. So if you choose to work them you should be aware it's likely they will be your competition etc.