AGD Ideas Stolen - where does it end?

[Guard Dog]

I don't even know what to say, guys... I thought (truly thought this) that CAP (CasinoAffiliatePrograms.com) was out to help affiliates.... I am an affiliate. I created a unique system in AGD. I spent A LOT of my own money to build this system FOR affiliates only.

And now this: xxhttp://casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/announcing-cap-alerts-terms-amp-conditions-updates.31590.html?

I sincerely hope this is a poor attempt at humor. Lou (Professor at CAP) knows very well how long and how much effort I have put into AGD - I have talked with him on numerous occasions.

If this is true... (and I hope it is not), then I hope affiliates rally behind AGD. We are a system designed for affiliates. If a program is 'not right' for some reason or another.... they cannot pay us to get certification. We are made up of honest affiliates who strive to keep other affiliates 'in the know'.

I am signing off for tonight.... very disappointed.... very sad. This is truly not the way we should do business. :emoticon-0145-shake

 

[pdjoe]

Hey GD,

I can't even tell you how sorry I am that this is going on!

You do such a great job for all of us in the industry and it is GREATLY appreciated!

All I can suggest is that you keep doing what your doing for the people in the biz. The ones that support you will always be there for you.

For CAP to steal your entire concept is beyond belief for me. I would suggest that all affiliates bouycot all confrences and remove membership from CAP if they are members there.

For a good man like you that is just trying to help the affiliates in the world.....how can they do this?


Let me know if I can help in any way !

Joe

 

[pdjoe]

God,

The bigger forums like CAP are the one that are supposed to be protecting the smaller affiliates from this kind of attack.

they suck!


Long live the GIA

 

[Engineer]

I was quite surprised to see the announcement over at CAP. I thought CAP wasn't going to duplicate AGD's terms alert system; I thought this wasn't even an issue anymore.

In any case, AGD still has quite a lot of information that many affiliates will find useful. For example, AGD's careful review and subsequent labeling of program T&Cs as "affiliate friendly" or "predatory" is very useful, in my opinion.

 

[pdjoe]

I was quite surprised to see the announcement over at CAP. I thought CAP wasn't going to duplicate AGD's terms alert system; I thought this wasn't even an issue anymore.

In any case, AGD still has quite a lot of information that many affiliates will find useful. For example, AGD's careful review and subsequent labeling of program T&Cs as "affiliate friendly" or "predatory" is very useful, in my opinion.

Your 100% correct Engineer,

AGD is right's on target and that why the concept has been stolen from him from a forum that should be protecting this kind of behavior.

Just my 2 cents

 

[Guard Dog]

Yes, I was assured by Lou himself that CAP wouldn't steal AGD's idea. I guess I should have known better.

Thanks for the words, guys. Still bummed this morning that this all is coming about. I wish I had CAP's money to throw towards AGD. Unfortunately, it's been slow going as I can only spend so much making AGD better.

What is needed is more affiliates to post more frequently. There are still tons of lurkers that need to come out of the weeds to help us keep AGD alive and benefiting affiliates.

This is my own personal thought: I don't trust CAP running Terms Alerts. Why? Because they can be bought over there. Look at BCP when that whole debaucle came about and all CAP wanted was to certify them (yes, for a huge paycheck).. They were ready to do that WAY before that program made good strides. At AGD, BCP is not certified. Even if they paid my mortgage they wouldn't be certified unless their terms were changed.

Anyway..... again - signing off a bit pissed off (I'm more angry than sad now at this whole theft deal).

 

[sipka]

I am shocked.

This is not fair at all. It's easy to finance such development with a bigger budget. I don't trust CAP's TC reviewing system. CAP is run by Affiliate Program's money therefore it cannot be an objective measurement.
CAP is not an independent organization because it is financed by affiliate programs.

I am really disappointed

 

[Pokerkeep]

I agree 100% with you regarding the trust factor. CAP (PAP) and GPWA both accept and certify programs based on financial sponsorship. AGD still stands alone! Those of us who know that difference will continue to put our trust and support behind AGD.

The best way to counter the competition presented by CAP is by educating the affiliates who may not understand this very important difference.

Tell us what we can do to help....

To start, I would be happy to display the AGD badge on my sites (if there is a badge available) and I'm sure most others would agree to do the same.

 

[sipka]

Absolutely, AGD has my 100% support in anything what needs to be done!

 

[Guard Dog]

Thanks guys! I really appreciate the sentiment I'll keep on doing what we do, no problem with that. I do not know what motive CAP had to do this... they wouldn't even had understood the concept of Terms Alerts if AGD didn't invent the idea.

Should have seen it coming, though:

1. GPWA Newsletter format => CAP Newsletter Format (Nearly identical back then)

2. GPWA Portal Certification (with verification) => CAP Portal Certification (with verification)

3. APCW Audits => CAP Audits

4. AGD Terms Alerts => CAP Terms Alerts

5. What's next? Who's ideas/concepts are safe?

All I have to say.... Watch out affiliates. I will no longer be part of a place (CAP) that steals ideas from legitimate affiliates. At this point they are NOT looking out for affiliates, but only for their bottom line and scruples play no part in their game.

 

[casinobonusguy]

Hi Andy ,
I post 90% of the time in CAP for our company , I witness the entire best casino partners fiasco and wondering if maybe this was some sort of payback on Lou's part .After all he did delete your forum about same time and now announcing this plan of his.My postings at CAP have been down at least 80% since best casino partner got certified .I will try to help anyway i can but these days I am pulling slack for my boss who is off until January.

Gina

 

[sipka]

Hi Andy ,
My postings at CAP have been down at least 80%

I know now what I have been missing for weeks
But on a serious note, you CBG gals have such a wide knowledge, my heart would bleed if you stopped posting, at least be active here then when you have spare time

 

[casinobonusguy]

Hi Sipka ,
That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in long time .
Hi pokerkeep/Terry -I am the lush they didn;t take to Niagra Falls -Judy and Tracy spoke highly of you and your wife though.I will Be posting more here ,I am the most fun of the bunch anyway LOL .

Gina

 

[Guard Dog]

Welcome, Gina, and feel free to post your valuable information here All those lurkers will benefit from your wisdom and I am sure I will benefit quite a bit as well.

If there are any ideas anyone has for a forum in which your expertise could be even more on display, please let me know and I'll get to creating

Thanks again everyone!!!

 

[casinobonusguy]

Welcome, Gina, and feel free to post your valuable information here All those lurkers will benefit from your wisdom and I am sure I will benefit quite a bit as well.

If there are any ideas anyone has for a forum in which your expertise could be even more on display, please let me know and I'll get to creating

Thanks again everyone!!!

My valuable information - when laying in a tanning bed make sure you put your arms over your head -LOL .Single men not living with your mother - please identify yourself immediately I posted that for sipka ,that's what she's missing lol

 

[sipka]

LOL, wise wise ;D Hahaha

More of this kind of wisdom pls!

 

[casinobonusguy]

Well this one is for Andy - Niagra Falls is a lovely place to have a weekend get together.We should start planning now

 

[Guard Dog]

haha - you guys crack me up I think I am going to have to wait on that Niagra Falls trip! It looks like I am going to have to spend my disposable income on increasing AGD's popularity

 

[Pokerkeep]

Hi Sipka ,
That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in long time .
Hi pokerkeep/Terry -I am the lush they didn;t take to Niagra Falls -Judy and Tracy spoke highly of you and your wife though.I will Be posting more here ,I am the most fun of the bunch anyway LOL .

Gina

Hi Gina, I'm gonna have to give Judy a piece of my mind... we needed someone at the Falls who could/would try to keep up with me. The rye went down very well (better than the poker game). It's good to meet you, and hopefully, we'll meet in person at the next event.

 

[MichaelCorfman]

I agree 100% with you regarding the trust factor. CAP (PAP) and GPWA both accept and certify programs based on financial sponsorship. AGD still stands alone! Those of us who know that difference will continue to put our trust and support behind AGD.

I'd like to be very clear that GPWA does not certify programs. If you look at the GPWA website you will see we try to be very clear that we have sponsors and we do our best to avoid any statements on our site that a program is certified simply because it chooses to support the GPWA as a sponsor. Certification is a complicated process, and I have not wanted us to claim any sort of certification without a good process in place.

With the recent acquisition of the APCW Audit staff that will likely change since I feel we may be in a position to begin to do some meaningful certification work. But even then I doubt that I would use the term certification since the meaning of that word has been so tainted by the meaning of the term CAP certification. And we would certainly focus on a different aspect of certification that affiliate guard dog.

Having watched CAP take GPWA ideas (as noted earlier in this thread) and produce inferior versions of them as check-off items for some time, I appreciate Andy's pain much more than most of you might realize.

Some of that is just business, but there is a way of doing business where you try to complement what others are doing and there is a way of doing business where you try to crush anyone else that has good ideas.

Michael