Anyone else seeing this stuff?

[AussieDave]

I've gone back over my Brightshare account and, can not see any instance where this player, or any of my other active players (dating back literally years & years), have received such an insane Non Cash Incentives.

Player Deposited: €5,391.02
Gaming Revenue: €2,992.79
Non Cash Inentives: €4,349.83

Total Commission: (negative €1,357.04)

Earnings: ( negative €407.11)

Bonuses received total around 81%

Acceptable FL bonus comps are 20 - 25% (so I've been told by upper management). Anything over this and someone would get their backside kicked. So I'm mystified why this player has received ALL this bonus cash.

I sure hope this is not an indication of what will happen to my player accounts since the BS/FA merger.

 

[Biti]

I call them usually Brightshave.

Absolutely not to trust program and so is FA, so it's a good match in my opinion.

 

[Frank]

Crazy... having to pay real € for monopoly money

 

[NoLuckNeeded]

That is terrible Dave, I am so glad I dropped them years ago. I will never understand how revenue can be negative unless cashouts exceed deposits. And by not understand I mean how do these crooked programs get away with this shit.

 

[inspiration]

they shave through detagging players and if not comfortable being caught they deduct fake bonuses - which the players never received - from your earnings.

this is all you have to know about FORTUNE AFFILIATES and BRIGHTSHARE shaving practices.

http://www.gpwa.org/forum/brightshare-massive-fraud-warning-non-cash-incentives-scam-227409.html

http://www.gpwa.org/forum/brightshare-shaves-affiliates-apcw-perspectives-1-july-2016-a-228083.html

and yeah they are the same company :

 

[AussieDave]

Back when I was promoting FA casinos (pre 2013), had a huge argument with Anthony P, over this exact sh#t.
Was literally being wipped out most months by identically insane bonuses.

While I can understand the logic in player retension and expect it, what I don't agree with is giving players between 70 - 83% non-cash-incentives and, those over inflated comps are allowing said players to wipe your earnings out. When this happens, there's something dodgy going on.

Edit:
@inspiration - funny you should mention that (bogus bonuses).

I managed to back my then AM into a corner, he sent me the *.xls spreadsheet for my high roller player (who btw had dropped over $1.6Mil from 2009 - 2013, and lost the entire lot). What he did though was leave out a few important columns.

Ended up making a phone call to their CFO (who I'd know for years). He wasn't there that day, so ended up speaking to his side-kick. I bought up the missing data, and he simply sent me the correct, unedited *.xls. Long story short, that file showed a US$80,000+ discrepancy in commission, which should have been paid. But it was eaten up by bogus bonuses.

The wife is a qualified bookkeeper, and my accountant both studied that *xls spreadsheet. Both agreed that $80K looked extremely suspect. I contacted FA, but they simply made up some creative accounting to make it ALL look perfect.

 

[inspiration]

non-cash-incentives and, those over inflated comps are allowing said players to wipe your earnings out. When this happens, there's something dodgy going on.

Exactly

That is what is called shaving

 

[inspiration]

I am not a qualified accountant but when I see these extreme bonuses you can not help but wonder who is paying for their exotic cars and boats.

These programs are totally rigged and have 2 sets of accounts and they show us the manipulated version.

 

[AussieDave]

I'm so sick of being shafted.

Like so many other long time affiliates, I've busted my gazoos for years (personally, close on 47,000 hours) on T&C agreements, I'd be paid commission for the life of my players. It's now a time when I should be able to kick back a bit and enjoy the fruits on my labour. Instead, here I am getting shafted by greedy crooks

I'm gonig to search for that *.xls and make it public...

Edit:

Just found this FA spreadshetting dating back to the EOM Jan 2010...(NCI = non cash incentives)

HR Player (US$)
Deposited: $106,120.66
NCI: $15,863.97
Prog Fees: $2726.42
GGR: $124,739.76

NGR: $106,149.38

(back then commission % levels were deposit based, not like player numbers now). But that's an entirely other matter, (reneging on T&C's agreements) and just another way to shaft affiliates etc.

Bonus % value given - close enough to 15%

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From memory that player and others would get no higher than 20% bonus comps.

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I started seeing the insane bonuses (fake?) being added sometime in late 2012, which, and reiterating, ended up a HUGE yelling match between Anthony P. and I sometime around April 2013. He tried to justify these over inflated bonuses with semantics and absolute BS. When I wouldn't swallow that cr#p, he became very verbally aggressive. So much so, I ended the call.

Before that call, I ran my findings past an EX FL pitboss I'd known for years. To check that, I contacted a senior excuctive at Osiris Trading (FA/FL), he also confirmed the maximun 25% comps. Also saying, anyone who gave over that maximum would have their ass severely kicked.

Hence I knew what I was seeing wasn't Kosher, even though Anthony P. attempted to have me believer otherwise.

 

[AussieDave]

Just had a thought... Money Laundering???!!!

 

[TheGooner]

I've gone back over my Brightshare account and, can not see any instance where this player, or any of my other active players (dating back literally years & years), have received such an insane Non Cash Incentives.

Player Deposited: €5,391.02
Gaming Revenue: €2,992.79
Non Cash Incentives: €4,349.83

....

Acceptable FL bonus comps are 20 - 25% (so I've been told by upper management). Anything over this and someone would get their backside kicked. So I'm mystified why this player has received ALL this bonus cash..

Obviously this 20-25% number does not include the signup bonuses which are routinely advertised as 100% match or more ?
If that is included in the NCI totals then it would drive it up ...

 

[AussieDave]

Obviously this 20-25% number does not include the signup bonuses which are routinely advertised as 100% match or more ?
If that is included in the NCI totals then it would drive it up ...

This High Roller signed up at AllSlots back in 2012.

All my other players are receiving between 15 - 20% in comps. NDP's receive signup bonuses. But that's a moot point casue this HR is not a NDP

This thread:
http://www.gpwa.org/forum/brightshare-massive-fraud-warning-non-cash-incentives-scam-227409.html

Is a carbon copy of what FA were doing to a cross section of my players, month in, month out. Reiterating rentention is one thing, but giving a player up to 83%, then that player, along with others wipping me out each month (because of these insane comps) seems very counter productive towards the casino's NGR (profits). And subsequently my commission. It made no sense at all.

When challenged, I coped agro... People usually only get aggressive when they've been caught out. IMHO this was the case at FA with Anthony P.

So the 1'st month that FA have my brightshare accounts, I see history repeating itself, again

As far as I can tell, FA have deducted the FULL NCI from Gaming Revenue, which is why I'm seeing Negative earnings of -€407.11 (on this HR player).

 

[NoLuckNeeded]

The Deckmedia group counts all deposits as rev until a cashout is processed. That is how all these programs should calculate commission.

In retrospect, that fight I had with Lloyd in London almost a decade ago has saved me an awful lot of money.

 

[AussieDave]

The Deckmedia group counts all deposits as rev until a cashout is processed. That is how all these programs should calculate commission.

Exactly....
Deckmedia and FullCreamAffiliates are IMHO one of the few Aff Programs who provide their partners with a full-range of stat values. Just as it should be!

However, when programs remove GGR etc., etc., etc., transparency takes a definite 'Exit Stage Right'. Frankly, there's no ethical reason to remove such data. Not unless a program's agenda is to shave. Then, removing the aformentioned, enables an aff program to perform their dodgy calculations.

From my own personal perspective of being an online gambler since 1997, and an affiliate since 2000, things are definitely not Kosher. Never in my 17+ years as an affiliate of these (now) Digimedia Owned Casinos, have I witnessed such player luck (errr shaving). Because of this cr#p, I'm hemorrhaging commissions every month.

@Webzcas - borrowing your phrase 'Winter is Coming'... DOCH is currently receiving a complete overhaul/revamp. When that's completed, I'll be taking extreme prejudice against any aff program who is hiding stats data from their partners. If they can't be 100% transparent, then they're on my hit-list!

I still make a few bucks here and there. Enough to cover my monthly living expenses etc. I have no issue making this my next mission and, as long as it takes

I'm now sitting on a BIG FAT $0 at FA for Allslots. Something that's never happened in years. Yet, the 1'st month FA/FL get hold of my players (just like when BP got hold of my ReferBack players), everything turned to shit... If they are shaving (which I believe they are) then they're f#cking with the wrong person!

The people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do - Steve Jobs

 

[AussieDave]

Under the current status qou (and seeing that histroy is repeating itself again - wiped out at BP this month again by not 1 but 2 BIG winners $89K total), I've just removed AllSlots, Jackpot City and Spin Palace from my portals. Reiterating, I'm making far less now having sent more players, than I was when I had less players and less deposits... Just that alone tells me something ain't Kosher.

Edit:
I don't mean to harp-on about this, but let me leave by saying this...

• MGS have issued additional databases to aff programs (Brightshare and Grand Prive` are those we know about).
• Who holds the controlling shares in MGS? The Moshal's
• Who owns BS,FA,BP, BW and all their casinos? The Moshal's
• Who audits these casinos and aff programs? eCOGRA
• How was eCOGRA formed? On funds supplied by MGS & 888 (Cassava)

While eCOGRA was sold to the CEO Andrew Beverage back in 2011/12 (though was it actually sold per se?) history tells us that eCOGRA are bias towards MGS. The above holds a totally unaceptable set of conflicts of interest. If it was discovered that a land based casino held these direct conglomerate connections, there'd be a Government enquiry held. Why? Because it's unethical and, could lead (or opens the door) to manipulation of funds etc., etc.