Auditing & Monitoring affiliate tracking

[inspiration]

I think it is about time to open a new thread about this as things get mixed up in other posts.

Post your ideas here please.

Mine : let the sponsors at eg GPWA compete about their integrity and not only for sponsoring.

This means that these sponsors have to pay a certain amount each month to GPWA for testing by selected affiliates.

Each program can score in a range of 1-10 points.

Programs that have not joined get 1 point.

Programs that sponsor the test money get 1 point each time they prevail the tests, minor incidents will cost some points (decided by the testers), major incidents will result losing all points and start at 1 point again.

So we can keep track of program issues.

Just an idea which will costs us nothing.

;D

 

[WCD Admin]

I think your idea above is great in regards to actual audits and getting the programs to pony up some dough so we can make sure they are legit. Especially if the test accounts were relinquished and never cashed out anyway. [why would the programs resist this if money was ultimately returned after testing? - it would be free for the programs, too!]

I think my original reply belonged in a separate thread: https:// www. affiliateguarddog. com/forums/idea-defend-ourselves-hostile-industry-t3449.html#post22016

 

[grem]

but this requires gambling and losing money ...

it sounds an expensive project unless you win very big

 

[WCD Admin]

Hi Grem -

Inspiration is talking about the programs themselves giving us the money to test them in exchange for points on the programs score. It would not cost you anything.

 

[GFPC]

The only problem i see with this is Programs can buy points!! Make themselves look legit and then alter later. I am not sure programs could pay for their own testing.... not sure!! Still a great idea.

 

[KasinoKing]

Replying to several posts in the "Playshare Shaves" thread:

Dom has hit it on the nail 100% and the reason I think we need to start/worry more about detecting the shaving and go from there.

I agree with that - and most of the contents of the posts above.
Having thought about this for the last day or so, I've reached the following conclusions:

a) It's a great idea, but it wont force the affy programs to change anything because, as stated above, we would be lucky to get 0.9% of affiliates involved, let alone 90%.

b) Even if we proved that an affy program was shaving, and they promised to change - would you trust them & start promoting them again? I know I wouldn't!

c) The proof of shaving would need to be very conclusive for even those affs involved to take any action - I know for sure I would be very loathe to dump one of my top earners unless I was 100% convinced they were screwing me personally (or ripping-off players).

d) Making it some sort of "club" where all members must stop promoting shavers will not work IMO. I probably wouldn't even want to join in myself if that was one of the conditions. Each of us needs to make our own decisions.

So I agree with GamTrak, better to something than to do nothing; If we could collectively start trying to identify the shavers at least the membership here would have the information on which to base our individual decisions. Who knows, in time news may spread and maybe would could really start to make a difference...

I can't offer any web services like some others have above (cos' I'm a HTML dunce!), but I certainly will be willing to fund some of the player "testers".

My suggestion would be to preferably set up a new forum (otherwise a sub-forum here) to recruit the testers. Affiliates who want to test a program could start a thread saying "Players wanted to test XYZ casino". The player(s) would then post their interest and the aff could PM them the link they want to test.

I think this would work because it would be a very attractive proposition for the players; We'd give them $50 (or whatever) to deposit and if they win they get to keep the cash!
The only problem really, is getting people you can 100% trust to register the accounts & deposit the money you give them.

KK

And...

Mine : let the sponsors at eg GPWA compete about their integrity and not only for sponsoring.

This means that these sponsors have to pay a certain amount each month to GPWA for testing by selected affiliates.

I admit I don't really understand the points system, but more importantly I don't understand what any of this has to do with GPWA...?

IMO they are not much better than the rogue aff programs they promote, and I certainly wouldn't trust ANY form of audit with their involvement, knowing how much money changes hands for their listsings...
(OK; assuming, not knowing! )

KK

 

[arkyt]

I admit I don't really understand the points system, but more importantly I don't understand what any of this has to do with GPWA...?

IMO they are not much better than the rogue aff programs they promote, and I certainly wouldn't trust ANY form of audit with their involvement, knowing how much money changes hands for their listsings...

100% agree !!! I would never trust GPWA/CAP/APCW etc to complete any audit... I just seen a post from APCW that they did an audit of EuroPartners - really? EP is a platinum sponsor of APCW and has sponsorship on GPWA as well. Sorry, but thats a major conflict of interest!

I also agree GPWA/CAP etc are just as rogue as the rogue programs they promote. Many have opened their eyes to this, they just refuse to see it for what it really is. As long as affiliates give these opportunist clout - they will use it to minimize our individual reach.

No doubt times are getting tough for a lot of affiliates, because I don't ever remember this level of outcry regarding shaving; something that has no doubt been around since day one. If so many of us are hurting yet the programs continue to rush off to parties - I guess it wouldn't seem out of the question that many of these programs have really stepped up the amount of shaving they do. Hell the economy is the perfect cover for it - but when they are always off partying - it just does add up - does it?

 

[bonustreak]

The only problem really, is getting people you can 100% trust to register the accounts & deposit the money you give them.

I say name and shame if they do not use the money to deposit! I have several moderators that are very trustworthy that would be happy to help out.

Streak Gaming will donate and do what we can to help the "Stop The Shaving Fund"

 

[Aussie-Dave]

Hell the economy is the perfect cover for it - but when they are always off partying - it just does add up - does it?

Who I was speaking to shall remain unspoken but from the mouth of a casino marketing exc...he tells me, he drives an X5 and his wife's got an X3 - two new BMW's...etc...etc.

Affiliates are suffering but casino management and such, nothings changed...Your right it don't add up


Cheers



Dave

 

[KasinoKing]

The only problem really, is getting people you can 100% trust to register the accounts & deposit the money you give them.

I say name and shame if they do not use the money to deposit!

I think you missed my point;
If you give someone money to deposit but they don't show up on your stats, it could be that you're being shaved OR that the player didn't actually register but just pocketed your cash!
Unless you can 100% trust the player, or find a way for them to prove they did register, how will you know?

KK

 

[casinobonusguy]

You ask them to send you a copy of the deposit form from the casino

 

[Vladi]

Easy. Set up a specific email address on gmail or something that the player must use to register for the casino. Give yourself access to that account too. Therefore you will receive confirmation of any deposits, withdrawals etc.

Agree re GPWA. Not to be trusted.