Disappointed In Rewards Not Showing Face At LAC

[bonustreak]

I will be the first to say I was really disappointed to see Rewards did not show face at the LAC show, to me they did this because of the heat they have been getting from affiliates. This also means we all need
to keep up the pressure and questions, this group needs to stop taking from their affiliate partners!

To be honest I really don't think they want affiliates, most are going to start removing banners and links if something is not done soon! Most have already taken down all. I am not happy that the owners are living the good life on my back and hard work.. so when you splurge on your next extravagant buy or trip make sure to raise your glass and toast Streak Gaming please!!

The day will come when you will regret your marketing tactics, I believe in karma...

 

[pdjoe]

Hey Christine,

I have a different look on it. I think they made the right financial choice here. Unlike InterPartners who cut affiliate earning and still could afford to attend and sponsor things. Numbers are down for us all and the programs right now I think.

I have always known all Rewards managers to answer questions and post even if we don't like the results. As much as I like Renee, it goes way beyond her. Every manager they have had in the past has been high quality.

We all have things that we would like every program to change in these times of turmoil but in my opinion, Rewards is way at the bottom of that list when looking at the others.

 

[inspiration]

@ Pdjoe : Christine is telling the truth, although your earnings meet your expectations they are stealing a substantial part of your players base as Rewards can do what (cross promote) they want with your players.

I quit at GPWA I do not like it there anymore

http://www.gpwa.org/forum/i-quit-disappointed-no-solutions-203268.html

Rewards has not answered my questions about the stats issue and the last post was moved to a bigger thread.

 

[Guard Dog]

We have Rewards Affiliates marked here with Cross Pomotion and a warning. This is from many, many findings of such emails. We need to do a more in-depth look, but that has not been completed yet.

 

[bonustreak]

Joe just imagine having at least 5 times of what your earning now.. that is the very least. This was not about money, Rewards is sitting nice with over 30 casinos who are they trying to fool with the 'tighten the belts' cry. There will come a day when they will have to answer to what they are doing.

 

[inspiration]

I also find it quite shocking about the fact that in the video Casino Rewards is taking bets from players situated in Australia but telling us they stopped accepting Australian players, what is the truth here ?

source incl. video link :

http://www.gpwa.org/forum/study-online-gambling-exploding-australia-203010.html

Pdjoe : They also DOUBLED in size according to the reporter .. how do you think they have done that without cheating us ? Right : they could not !!

 

[lots0]

To be honest I really don't think they want affiliates...

Oh They want affiliates... They just want them uninformed and ignorant about how this business really works.

It is not news that the guys running Rewards Affiliates are happy to screw affiliates at every chance they get. They have happily been screwing affiliates for years and years, imo... Way before Renee stared working for them.

Actually, if memory serves, Renee was hired to help smooth over and cool off affiliates after the Rewards Management changed the way they figured commissions, so they could pocket more and give the affiliates less. That was when I dropped them, because the change they made way back then to the commission structure would only be made by crooks, imo.

@inspiration, I understand how you feel about the GPWA. Been there, done that.

But I still use the gpwa. I just understand what the gpwa is really all about and what is important to Korfman and his crew (making money). Nothing wrong with making money, mind you... It's one of my favorite things... But I think it's important to understand that at the gpwa protecting/helping affiliates almost always takes a backseat to Korfman making money, imo.

 

[dominique]

Ok, at the risk of getting shot here, but I like facts and facts only.

When Rewards changed the pay structure, they ended up making it VOLUNTARY. They offered two structures - rev share and wager share. Some people do better with one system, and some with the other - it depends on the habits of your players. I believe that all subsequent new affs got on wager share, but the change was NOT retroactive for existing affiliates.

Just to make sure we are dealing in facts here.

That said, I don't like the cross promotion done with live links in retention mails either.

 

[lots0]

I like the facts too.

The change your talking about Dom is NOT the same change I was talking about.

The change I was talking about was how they actually figured commissions. I believe I even specifically said that in my last post...

...Renee was hired to help smooth over and cool off affiliates after the Rewards Management changed the way they figured commissions,

I never said anything about rev share vs. wager share.

 

[bonustreak]

They were fair to let affiliates choose your right Dom but we all know that in the scheme of things they are really making out like bandits with the ' the cross promotion done with live links in retention mails either', as well as snail mailers now being sent out to our players to join their other brands. This is what my bitch is about. I really feel like my high rollers are being entice to leave the brands I referred them to, so they can play at Rewards brands not referred by an affiliate. The profits have to be HUGE!

 

[dominique]

They were fair to let affiliates choose your right Dom but we all know that in the scheme of things they are really making out like bandits with the ' the cross promotion done with live links in retention mails either', as well as snail mailers now being sent out to our players to join their other brands. This is what my bitch is about. I really feel like my high rollers are being entice to leave the brands I referred them to, so they can play at Rewards brands not referred by an affiliate. The profits have to be HUGE!

I totally agree with that. Have said so many times.

Ok, so I must have missed the part about how they figure commissions. What was it?

 

[lots0]

It was back in April of 2006.

I didn't like the changes enough to drop rewards and walk away from a nice stable of players I had built up with them.

I wrote this at the time...

"CasinoRewards no longer pays a percentage of player loss they pay a percentage of what they call the "casino profit". Casino Rewards gives no information on how they figure the 'casino profit' or what the casino profit is.In our opinion this is just another scam to rip-off casino affiliates."

You can see what I wrote here.
Lots 0 Cash Gambling Information | Casino Rewards

 

[dominique]

Ok, that is what I thought, the rev share versus the wager share. That was resolved favorably for affs.

The fact that this ended up being resolved favorably is why I held out hope that the current issue would be too, but apparently this one will not be resolved.

 

[lots0]

Resolved favorably for affs... I guessed I missed that part.

As far as I know rewards never changed a thing, they just made nice with some high profile affiliates in the forums, hired Renee to smooth over angry affiliates and everything was all good... for them.

Why would an 'honest' affiliate program make figuring their commission so difficult that you need a play book(that they don't give you) and a CPA just to figure out what your owed?

How commission is calculated:
Margins were taken based on PWC Payout Reports, then Payout is calculated at 35% of margin - (35% of applicable gaming taxes and fees):

Now if you can figure out how rewards figures an affiliate commission... Based on this statement of theirs and what they have written on their site... your much smarter than I am.

It is obvious to me, that the ONLY reason for making the way they figure affiliate commissions so complicated and confusing is so they can pay affiliates what they want, not what the affiliate actually earned.

And yes they do offer other options, but who in their right mind would go for a $50 CPA with the kind of restrictions they put in place? Or that tiered rev share that is so low it is not worth the smaller average affiliates time.

Crooks are crooks... they are going to steal from you one way or another, if you let them.

Cross marketing is just the latest scam from rewards to rip-off affiliates, imo.

 

[dominique]

They made it a choice for existing affs. You could stay with the old rev share or switch to the wager share. New affs went on wager share from the start.

Wager share is how Vegas operates - how they calculate what comps they give out etc.

Wager share is horrible for affs with players who for instance make a few high bets on BJ or Roulette. But it's great for affs whose players play slots with small bets. It doesn't matter of players win or lose, just the volume of play matters.

Anyway, this is not really the topic of this thread. I just stumbled across your remark.

Maybe we should get back to the topic - the current issues.

 

[lots0]

Current issues... past issues... they are issues.

Come on Dom, rewards made nice with you... let you and a few others keep your old payment plan so you, and a few others, would shut up about how the new deal was screwing affiliates. They played the affiliate community like a fiddle.

They offered me the same deal, but I chose to walk away. Because, as this whole thing shows, once a crook... always a crook. It was just a matter of time before Rewards decided to screw affiliates in a major way again...

The thing is that this time, Rewards is so far not willing to cut special deals to shut up the high profile affiliates.

Of course if enough pressure is put on Rewards they may rethink this policy and make nice with the high profile affiliates again. But I think this time it will take a lot more than just some angry posts in the forums.