F/FLOW AFFILIATE S ... is who?

[KasinoKing]

Sorry chaps - another mystery payment!

Since I had to switch from Neteller to Skrill or Bank Wire I've had a few of these already - and I bet this wont be the last one!

This is a bank wire from "F/FLOW AFFILIATE S" - and I haven't a clue who it's from!

Part of the problem is the pay is coming in as $ or € and then getting converted to £ by my bank, and due to variations in exchange rates, I can't match it up with any amount owing from any program.
Looked at those in the ball park close to the figure - but drew a blank.

Anyone got any clues please?
Cheers,
KK

 

[paulajardine]

I just did a google search and came across a thread from you back in 2011 here on AGD.
https://www.affiliateguarddog.com/community/threads/payment-from-f-flow-crosswise.3650/
Perhaps it's BetUS?
Edit - After a bit of reading it seems this affy program has closed? I don't know, sorry if I was of no help.

 

[KasinoKing]

I just did a google search and came across a thread from you back in 2011 here on AGD.
https://www.affiliateguarddog.com/community/threads/payment-from-f-flow-crosswise.3650/
Perhaps it's BetUS?
Edit - After a bit of reading it seems this affy program has closed? I don't know, sorry if I was of no help.

Yes, and yes they have closed.
I get a lot of payments which start with F/FLOW - I think this is just a reference to the type of processor used between the casino and the bank.

e.g.
F/FLOW WORLDPAY AP = Vera & John or BGO
F/FLOW SARAH ENTER = Obvious!
F/FLOW CASUMO (GIB = Obvious!
F/FLOW TIVOLI A/S = Obvious!
F/FLOW EVENINGSTAR = Lucky Spins
F/FLOW ABACASH = Slotland

But this "AFFILIATE S" is a new one on me.
Hopefully when I get home from my holiday in a few days there will be a CHAPS snail-mail letter from my bank which will clear this up - but I just wish the bloody affiliate programs would tell us how and when they are paying us!

{edit - after another half hour of searching}
Think I've sussed it!
Look like it's probably Fast Track Affiliates!
Problem was, the amount paid = an exchange rate of 1.69 $/£ - but the REAL rate on the day paid was 1.56 $/£.

KK

 

[RyanWeb]

I very much agree that it is almost a job in its self to match payments to programs. I get a lot of bank wires and often times they come in very close to the same amount($) so its hard to tell who is who.

Is there no way for the programs to have the payment processors add a clue as to who is sending the payment? Maybe add your AID, or program initials or something in the payment description? Or simply as KK said, simply tell us who the payment will be coming from (I have at least two programs that do this, and it is very helpful.. But for everyone else... )

 

[justred]

Hi KK

Did you ever solve this one?

I have AFFILIATE SQUARED that I can't seem to allocate. It is listed as Duke Affiliate's elsewhere but we dolt promote them.

Cheers

 

[RyanWeb]

AceRevenue is using Affiliate Squared, as well as FastTrackAffiliates...

Others use it as well, but these are the only two I know who use it currently.

 

[Engineer]

Refilliates used them in 2015; not sure if they still do.

 

[AussieDave]

Nothing to do with regards to the proccessor, so shift it if you must.
However these post titles containing "/", "..." or other any number alternative characters, are producing 404 errors on the AGD home page links.

EG - This is what's displayed as ther title link for this thread - F/FLOW AFFILIATE S ... is who?
And that's the dodgy 404 error you receive when clicking it.

I'm sure it frustrates Google just as much as me and others

 

[KasinoKing]

Hi KK

Did you ever solve this one?

I have AFFILIATE SQUARED that I can't seem to allocate. It is listed as Duke Affiliate's elsewhere but we dolt promote them.

Cheers

I have now had payments from 3 different operators, all arriving from "F/FLOW AFFILIATE S":
Fast Track Group
Vegas2Web
Betting Partners

Last month, Betting Partners used "F/FLOW WHITESTONE" - it's like trying to hit a moving target with these mystery payments!

KK

 

[AussieDave]

Fast Track Group
Vegas2Web
Betting Partners

My guess is:

• Fast Track Affiliates - Malibu private owned (Rival powered)
• Vegas2Web - Rival White Label
• Betting Partners - Private owned (Rival powered)

Dare say "F/FLOW WHITESTONE" is owned by Rival (aka Bonnie Chance, Black Chip et al).

These privately owned brands use these are a secondary payment option.
Wouldn't be the first time a privately owned casino, has used one of these Rival owned entities, as a processor.

Edit:
I've used multiple search terms, as well as other tricks and I'm coming up empty handed. Maybe it's ambiguous on purpose

 

[Guard Dog]

Nothing to do with regards to the proccessor, so shift it if you must.
However these post titles containing "/", "..." or other any number alternative characters, are producing 404 errors on the AGD home page links.

EG - This is what's displayed as ther title link for this thread - F/FLOW AFFILIATE S ... is who?
And that's the dodgy 404 error you receive when clicking it.

I'm sure it frustrates Google just as much as me and others

LOL - the 'dodgy' part made me laugh. There was nothing dodgy about it. Was a coding mistake - I just fixed an escaping issue that (for some unknown reason) my programmers did not put in place.

 

[AussieDave]

LOL - the 'dodgy' part made me laugh.

Dodgy just doesn't mean unethical etc. According to the Cambridge Dictionary... it can also mean "cause problems". Which is exactly what I meant And, with those type of links not working, it certainly causes problems...

I was merely pointing it out to be helpful, next time I wont bother.

 

[KasinoKing]

My guess is:

• Fast Track Affiliates - Malibu private owned (Rival powered)
• Vegas2Web - Rival White Label
• Betting Partners - Private owned (Rival powered)

It COULD be Rival linked - but I think probably not: I got a Fast Track (RTG) payment or two via this processor a couple of months BEFORE they opened Malibu Club.

KK

 

[AussieDave]

I got a Fast Track (RTG) payment or two via this processor a couple of months BEFORE they opened Malibu Club.

BEFORE FT went Raging Bull (RTG), they had Sunset Slots and it was only powered by Rival

Just seems odd that a white label Rival, would be using this processor. To the best of my knowledge, they all use Rival processors... I usually can sniff these things out BUT not this time, whoever it is, they've well and truly hidden their identity.

 

[KasinoKing]

BEFORE FT went Raging Bull (RTG), they had Sunset Slots and it was only powered by Rival

Just seems odd that a white label Rival, would be using this processor. To the best of my knowledge, they all use Rival processors... I usually can sniff these things out BUT not this time, whoever it is, they've well and truly hidden their identity.

Are you sure Vegas2Web is a white label?
I thought White Label's couldn't take USA players - but I'm the first to admit, I'm no expert on this!

KK

 

[AussieDave]

Are you sure Vegas2Web is a white label?
I thought White Label's couldn't take USA players

Vegas2Web is a white label - most Rival powered casinos are... these days.
I think your thinking about Canadian's, they can't play at Rival, not sure if that's a blanket block or if Private Labels are exempted.

If White Labels couldn't take USA players, then you'd be a poorer pirate, for sure

 

[KasinoKing]

I think your thinking about Canadian's, they can't play at Rival, not sure if that's a blanket block or if Private Labels are exempted.

No I wasn't thinking of Canada - different country!
No Canadians can play at ANY Rival casino. Rumour has it they can play Rival games at one or two multi-software casinos, like Slots Million - but I've not had that 100% confirmed.

After Rival booted ALL their casinos from the USA in 2011, and then started letting them back in 2012, only a few stated trickling back, and I ASSUMED this was only the private ones, and that the White Labels were still being blocked by Rival. Otherwise, why on earth wouldn't they want to re-enter their biggest market?

And yes, this Pirate is very happy that most Rival casinos do accept USA players!

KK
[/derail]

 

[AussieDave]

No Canadians can play at ANY Rival casino.

For the record and an education for anyone interested... On 1st of March, 2009, Rival excluded ALL Canadian Players from playing for real-money. This decision came on the back of Rival and their Directors being sued by another Canadian Company (T2 Marketing), claiming breach of contract. That case was finally lost by Rival et al, who I believe, were ordered to pay T2 Marketing somewhere in the region of CA$450K to CA$500K (please excuse my memory it's a bit rusty). Basically Rival et al were scared they were leaving themselves open to law-suits (at the time), if they continued to accept real-wagers from Canadian players.

Not sure about multi-platform casinos. Aussie's can't play Aristocrat games for example at multi-platformed casinos, those games are banned for us. "Aristocrat" is an Aussie Company, so my guess is... Rival, just like Lasseters online casino (the 1'st fully licensed gaming venue by the Australian Northern Territory Government), which was in operations for 9 years, till Oct 3'rd (?) 2008, Australian players, just like Canadian players, are not permitted to play at online casinos operated within their own Country.

Of course now with the UK licenses, this is not the case for UK players.

Black Friday, April 15, 2011. Saw the DoJ and FBI going after four poker rooms, their directors, a few payment processors, assests and bank accounts, scattered around the globe. As I recall, the legal team from Bonne Chance (aka Rival, aka Black Chip etc etc), strongly advised them to withdraw, with immediate affect, from the USA. Subsequently on this advice, ALL Rival casinos stopped accepting real-wagers from USA players.

Obviously when the heat died down later, Rival again opened its doors to USA players.

Reiterating the majority of Rival casinos are white labels, meaning, their owned by Bonne Chance, Black Chip et al. Unfortunately some of these White Label Rivals, their operators (essentially glorified affiliates), try to weave a line, that they are privately owned. This is probably why there is the confusion over Vegas2Web (and other brands). However it is definitely a White Label

I thought White Label's couldn't take USA players

To the best of my knowledge, most, if not ALL Rival casinos operated under refaffiliates are white labels. (probably the real reason why they haven't been able to create one [1] login for ALL their affiliates). These casinos, most certainly do accept USA players.

/end derail

 

[justred]

Hi Guys and Gals

It turns out that both the following are Bettingpartners:
Whitestone
Affiliate Squared.

As for Rival and the USA best is to check on an ongoing basis with thee Rivals you promote. I have found a couple that changed their tune. There are some groups that seem to be committed to the US but others less so.