How is Rewardsaffiliates doing for you?

[inspiration]

Just curious how everybody is doing with the RA programme.

My earnings are below average, not many players deposit.

Not converting new hobby players, those that have signed up play for while but do not last long.

 

[KasinoKing]

Not converting new hobby players, those that have signed up play for while but do not last long.

Well, I would have assumed you already know that they "shave"...
https:// www. affiliateguarddog. com/forums/ra-cr-audit-t4591.html

If you're going to promote his group, it must be with open eyes.
I do still promote them - but it is with some reluctance. At the end of the day, things are so bad these days I am have to be grateful for every cent I can get...

KK

 

[Renee]

Well, I would have assumed you already know that they "shave"...

Can you please post the proof of your accusation that we shave? That's a pretty big word to be throwing around when people have different meanings for it. Perhaps there is a better word for what you're describing?

Just curious how everybody is doing with the RA programme.

My earnings are below average, not many players deposit.

Not converting new hobby players, those that have signed up play for while but do not last long.

Your numbers (commission) are on par to be higher than last month.
The number of new depositors this month is 5 below what it was this time last month, however your new players have deposited twice as much as the new depositors did last month.

In your active players report I can see the following: https:// www. rewardsaffiliates. com/members/affiliate/wager/wager_players_active.aspx

64 active players. Almost half joined previous to this year. You have people playing who joined in 2008, so your players hardly do not stick around.

This is not the first time I have called you out for posting deceiving information about your stats.

I understand you're on some kind of mission, but what's the point of posting something that isn't even true when you know I can see the numbers?

 

[Redbush54]

Our numbers have went to zero. The latest brand additions(to their group) that we could always count on for revenue is now zero.

And once again today, me a US citizen, received more spam wanting me to join but it stated I received this email because I'm a registered member. And once again I unsubscribed(which makes 4 times I've done this) and I'm sure give it a few weeks and I'll receive another. And yes they all come from xxxsupport@casinorewardsnews.com

 

[Renee]

If you could send me the email I can look into it. If not, send me the bannertag or one of the links and the headers of the email. We have third parties mailing to their own lists for us so it doesn't necessarily come from us, but if I know who it's from I can at least start somewhere.

My email is Renee@RewardsAffiliates.com

 

[Redbush54]

On the way to you from my personal email addy where I received it.

 

[KasinoKing]

Can you please post the proof of your accusation that we shave? That's a pretty big word to be throwing around when people have different meanings for it. Perhaps there is a better word for what you're describing?

Sorry Renee, you are right "shave" is probably not the right word.
I should have said CR "steal" your players by cross-promoting without affy tags.

KK

 

[vd752]

How is Rewardsaffiliates doing for you?

very good, our top 5 performers are (not in order): Fortune Affiliates, Rewards Affiliates, Wager Share, Refer Back and Affiliate Edge.

Go Wild & Inet Bet are good when speaking about earning per casino.

It's more about source of traffic for a program to convert, IMHO ;D

 

[bonustreak]

Same as always nothing better, nothing worse BUT not what I would expect from a program that has 30 casinos I make double and at times triple at Go Wild then I do with Rewards... things that make you go hmmmmmm

We use to earn big at Villento but that was on US players so I can see why the drop in #'s but not with Quatro, Casinoshare & Grand Mondial we had steady non US players in these brands that earned us way more then we do currently at Rewards..

I can say I never get emails from them so that is a good thing....

 

[dominique]

I have no issues with signups, conversions, retention or service.

The aff program itself and the people who work there are great.

But, given the number of properties, performance is not up to par. And I assume that's due to the cross promotion without tags. Some of which has been cleaned up and some of which hasn't.

 

[Renee]

On the way to you from my personal email addy where I received it.

I didn't receive an email.

Dom - what hasn't been cleared up for you? If the logos are clicked and an aff tag already exists on that site, the aff tag remains in tact because the aff tag takes precedence over marketing tags. Thats the only thing you've mentioned here and I don't think you realised that it is no longer the issue you think it is?
What else is there?

 

[Redbush54]

I'll try and send it again. It will be coming from a xxxxxxx@kc.rr.com addy

 

[Redbush54]

It has now just been sent again.

 

[Renee]

Thanks. Nothing has come in yet but I will keep my eye out for it in the spam box too.

Cheers

 

[inspiration]

This is not the first time I have called you out for posting deceiving information about your stats.

My numbers with the original CR brands are 20% lower compared to last year

(july - oktober 2010 / 2011)

the performance of the former playshare casinos are also lower than they used to be.

Dom - what hasn't been cleared up for you? If the logos are clicked and an aff tag already exists on that site, the aff tag remains in tact because the aff tag takes precedence over marketing tags. Thats the only thing you've mentioned here and I don't think you realised that it is no longer the issue you think it is?
What else is there?

What do you think Renee ? those other 31 casinos players can click on which players have not clicked from our sites perhaps ?

You make 1 big logo (with all casino logos in it) and add them in your new letters and link that to a new page/site with all CR casinos (not Casinorewards.com), the player can still visit CR afterwards. I think this will be much bearable.

Second all those other crosspromo spam emails from CR ?

 

[dfiocch]

RA brands are doing well for me in the last 6 months.
However, this month is a 30/40% "slower" than October. But it's only the 15th..

 

[dominique]

Dom - what hasn't been cleared up for you? If the logos are clicked and an aff tag already exists on that site, the aff tag remains in tact because the aff tag takes precedence over marketing tags. Thats the only thing you've mentioned here and I don't think you realised that it is no longer the issue you think it is?
What else is there?

Renee, everytime Rewards sends out retention e-mails, they are not intended to retain my player at the casino s/he chose, but to move them out from under me to either another aff or Rewards itself. Chances that it goes to Rewards itself are big and so Rewards has to pay nothing at all for the player I sent.

I would appreciate there not being live links to places I will not get credit for in retention mails to players I have sent.

It's like I send aunt Dottie to Golden Tiger, where she plays the slots she loves. Everyone is happy. But then she gets an email that points out to her that she can play at xx other places and gives her links. She decides to check it out and that leaves her happy, Rewards happy, and I can cry into my beer.

 

[bonustreak]

Renee, everytime Rewards sends out retention e-mails, they are not intended to retain my player at the casino s/he chose, but to move them out from under me to either another aff or Rewards itself. Chances that it goes to Rewards itself are big and so Rewards has to pay nothing at all for the player I sent.

I would appreciate there not being live links to places I will not get credit for in retention mails to players I have sent.

It's like I send aunt Dottie to Golden Tiger, where she plays the slots she loves. Everyone is happy. But then she gets an email that points out to her that she can play at xx other places and gives her links. She decides to check it out and that leaves her happy, Rewards happy, and I can cry into my beer.

There it is in a nutshell, we would all love to see this change please..

 

[inspiration]

GOOD post Dominique !!

I also would like to see this changed, it is haunting us every day, we can't be confident now there will be a happy ending for our leads.

 

[Renee]

Renee, everytime Rewards sends out retention e-mails, they are not intended to retain my player at the casino s/he chose, but to move them out from under me to either another aff or Rewards itself. Chances that it goes to Rewards itself are big and so Rewards has to pay nothing at all for the player I sent.

I would appreciate there not being live links to places I will not get credit for in retention mails to players I have sent.

It's like I send aunt Dottie to Golden Tiger, where she plays the slots she loves. Everyone is happy. But then she gets an email that points out to her that she can play at xx other places and gives her links. She decides to check it out and that leaves her happy, Rewards happy, and I can cry into my beer.

I have explained this many times already, so this will be the last time I post this.

Our retention emails show the account number of the last account they played at, regardless of whether it was referred by an aff or by direct or through a 3rd party marketing company. I have attached one of the retention mailers - please look at it. There is nothing on here that says "you can join any of our 31 casinos" or "join another of our casinos"..
They can claim the promo at any of the casinos they are ALREADY a member of, but nothing that tells them to sign up somewhere else? The retention emails are designed to keep them playing where they are already playing. If they are already playing at a casino you referred them to, then that is the account number that will be at the top of the mailer.

I have also attached a newsletter - any links clicked on in the newsletter will keep the last aff tag on that site if there was one, so we are not overwriting any aff tags if they were already there.

There has NEVER been anything in the newsletter that said "sign up at another of our partner casinos". It used to have the sign up bonuses under each logo, which we removed (due to complaints from you guys) and put the line "click to reinstall"... there is nothing that entices them to sign up at a new casino.

These were changed because you guys requested it.

Aff tags will never be put into newsletters because there is no fair way to tag them. There will always be someone not happy with the way it is done, so that's why the compromise was made not to overwrite any aff tags where an aff has already referred the player to a casino if they click through anywhere that contains a tag that is not an aff tag.

Our tracking works on last referrer to each individual property and has always worked this way. This gives all affs a fair and equal chance to refer old players to new properties. It also means someone who may have started when this industry began and may not be working in it anymore isn't making commission on the players YOU are sending just because s/he may have sent them years ago to one property where they never even made a deposit. On the last referral to each individual casino, the affiliate who does the hard work at converting the player is getting the commission.

All of this has been posted in the 2 threads at GPWA, and there was also a thread about it a few years back at another forum. Everyone was happy with how it was back then so nothing was changed (I should also point out that most people who have posted in this thread also posted in the thread at the other forum).

Now some things have been changed, in favour of affiliates - most would have been changed sooner (as I had already been requesting it for a long time) however due to the forum fights, management pushed back on it. So I had to fight even harder. Calling my bosses names like dickhead etc does not speed the process. In fact it makes it harder for me to do my job, so I cannot ask enough for professionalism here.

There is no need for name calling, or for nastiness. If we can't get some respectful dialogs then I will simply walk away from the forums. I have been able to have a respectful debate about this with Andy over the last couple of weeks and there has been no need for name calling or any kind of unprofessionalism at all. We are not children and regardless of if you have met me or not, I'm actually a real person sitting behind this computer just like you are.

I can fight to get things changed that are within reason. But if a request is not a reasonable one that is fair, I'm not going to get anywhere.

Cheers