Really f-ing confused

[Shay]

I am really confused about the posture on this thread.

Namely, I am confused as to where the "new low" is. I do not see an attack on a company. Additionally, I do not see why the thread is "being removed".

The original posted, from the best I can tell, posted two official videos from the company he references.

I do not understand the butt hurt...?

 

[BetOnlineUK]

I agree Shay, I thought it was light hearted at least that was the way I took it. What would of happened though if someone else other than @AussieDave had posted. Would it have been blocked as well !!

 

[AussieDave]

Haven't been back to check the thread, that's how jovial my intention was.
@BetOnlineUK - yep my tongue was firmly planted in cheek ( ) for that thread/post.

Seems (sadly) we're back to the old days, when I was held to double standards, and my posts (it seems) were in some form; means or otherwise, scrutinised. And, if I strayed outside of some imaginary goal posts (which were never made clear), I was publicly chastised as a result; more often than not for speaking the truth about topics/subjects some wanted swept under the carpet.

To expect a certain level of behaviour, there should also be a level of authenticity applied to said posters. If a topic is out-of-bounds then state it!

People probably wont agree (freedom of speech) but least your being authentic, honourable and genuine.

Anything else dished out at certain people, is just bias (double standards), worse it's bullying

 

[Guard Dog]

It was looked at as inflammatory, which is against the code of conduct. Yes, it would have been closed no matter who posted it. However - there have been a lot of posts about VS in particular while they are working to update the backend to show deposits and fix some bugs.

Continually blasting a company just isn't right, IMO. Shaming them for having parties isn't right either.

As far as "if a topic is out of bounds, then state it" - Just read the forum rules. Inflammatory posts (which this was) are not helpful or wanted. They don't serve to solve a problem, they serve to ridicule.

 

[Jack Lee]

Its not posting the videos, its the title to the thread with the videos. I think it was quite a shameless thread done by AussieDave.

 

[Shay]

It was looked at as inflammatory, which is against the code of conduct. Yes, it would have been closed no matter who posted it. However - there have been a lot of posts about VS in particular while they are working to update the backend to show deposits and fix some bugs.

Continually blasting a company just isn't right, IMO. Shaming them for having parties isn't right either.

As far as "if a topic is out of bounds, then state it" - Just read the forum rules. Inflammatory posts (which this was) are not helpful or wanted. They don't serve to solve a problem, they serve to ridicule.

I looked at it as satire of sorts rather than inflammatory in nature. I guess that the preconceived thought of intent would "play" in terms of whether one thought it was one or the other.

 

[Frank]

I noticed lots of brand new accounts sign up to criticize the post also.. strange and conveinant. Also think the big problem is not fixing the said missing data but the fact it was done in the first place and there has not been any satisfactory answer to why certain affiliates are making literally pennies on the dollar.. Some of us also find it very hard to believe that this is a massive job to add the stats maybe i'm a cynic or just tired of the contempt for affiliates.

 

[inspiration]

agreed AussieDave crossed the line here and should be banned from AGD hehe gotcha

 

[Jack Lee]

I noticed lots of brand new accounts sign up to criticize the post also.. strange and conveinant. Also think the big problem is not fixing the said missing data but the fact it was done in the first place and there has not been any satisfactory answer to why certain affiliates are making literally pennies on the dollar.. Some of us also find it very hard to believe that this is a massive job to add the stats maybe i'm a cynic or just tired of the contempt for affiliates.

I might be missing something, but what stats is Videoslots not sharing?

 

[TheGooner]

I'm not a fan of badgering programs or companies ...
I don't have a beef with VS, I've never worked with them.

But if Videoslots have high fees coupled with poor reporting, and also publicly post videos to YouTube showing employees living the high life on the companies dime (aka those fees) - then reposting videos that are in the public domain is probably fair use.

The thread title said "So this is where the money goes" ... what is inflamatory / against the code of conduct about that?
It clearly is where SOME of the money goes.

It might behoove this program to reduce costs, fix their reporting, and just behave a little more professionally?

 

[inspiration]

If VS wants to brag about throwing their luxurious parties on Youtube and reporting it here seems rather informative than against the code of conduct but I digress LOL

 

[Guard Dog]

@TheGooner - If you read through all the VS posts, they are working on fixing their issues with reporting (which was issue #1). Then, they keep getting slammed whilst I am working with them to fix the issues brought up. Then, when those posts are closed due to constant badgering instead of helping solve problems, another post is opened by the same user. To me - that shows badgering. If it is in 'good fun' as @AussieDave suggests, then I guess I am in error. But when the previous 50 posts are all laced with inflammatory comments, it is difficult to pick out the one that is not. I guess that is where I am coming from. It isn't always black and white and I am not always right... I'm just doing what I can.

I'm not sure what @inspiration means. That sentence doesn't make sense to me. I can't tell if you are saying it is ok to post that or not. Either way, I made my decision. Sorry it isn't popular.

 

[AussieDave]

I made my decision. Sorry it isn't popular.

It's your forum. Your site. You can do what you like, it's your choice.
However, these posts, in this thread, I believe are simply saying, hey... this 'decision' sucks. This is AGD members voicing their disaproval.

Can't blame them for feeling this way. Frankly, even if Blind Freddy read-between-the-lines, he'd also probably be thinking wtf?

If you read through all the VS posts, they are working on fixing their issues with reporting

They're fixing, they've been supposedly "fixing" these issues for years, mate!

Yet affiliates still haven't got the promised stats back. All they hear from you is... They're working on it.

Then when myself or others are sick of the excuses and obvious delays, we speak up. However, you call it "badgering"...

Well, I and others call it accountability and transparency.

VS affiliates (which make up a portion of AGD members) are making sweet FA, while VS are living the high life. Who couldn't live the life of Reiley, when, affiliates are literally being slogged for the entire operational costs to run the VS casino, it's parties and who knows what else.

This program seems like its been a scam, yes a con, from day one. Right back to when Lucas was trying to get affiliates signed up at CAP, offering 60% lifetime revenue. That 60%, like the 40% members here (and others) are on, is stomped (errr shaved) so ferociously, that it leaves some with less than 4% commission.

BIG difference between 40% and 4%, hey!

Nothing new there, the 25% cashback, was again a load of misleading bollock too. Once that got stomped on, it was only 1%.

@Guard Dog - correct me if I'm wrong but you stated (in the VS thread/s, words to the affect of)... your in direct contact with them, and are working to have the stats etc reinstated, and to ensure they move forward with 100% transparency... So what happens next? You go MIA for 3 weeks or so. And, again VS are off the hook.

You've been back a week or so, and have the ALL the affiliate stats been reinstated? NO... Instead of making VS accountable, you decided to provide a further 'safe haven' and instead, start deleting threads, or chastising AGD members who speak out against this obvious VS tickery.

Well...I'm so, so sick and tired of seeing unethical actions of programs, continuely receiving 'safe haven protection' from places that are supposed to, who claim to, be looking after affiliates welfare. A similar matter has been brewing over at the GPWA.

Michael is sticking up for a known program who has been proven, many times, to hold the truth very loosely.
Yet, the GPWA member who needs help, is treated by those who could help (thge powers that be at GPWA) like the villian.

Well... I know how that feels.

Reiterating, it's your site, your forum, you can run it as you see fit.

I'm just saying, like other are too, that your decision(s) and choices lately, are highly questionable.

Edit:
Yes I'm pissy and annoyed. But frankly, and more so, extremely disapointed.

If your unable to continue to operate AGD as it was originally setup for (that is scanning T&C's for changes etc); which btw that program seems like it hasn't worked for ages, then just damn well say so... It's not fair to members to think their ass are being looked after, when they are not. You have a full-time-job and income from that. Full time affiliates don't.

We're talking about people's lives here, not weekend or part time affiliates...

 

[Jack Lee]

I'm really confused. What stats are missing?

I get the following

Deposits (sent to me over request on email)
Withdrawals (sent to me over request on email)
+ Full break down on affiliate program how my commission is calculated.

I don't get this with any other program. So not understanding the issue.

 

[BetOnlineUK]

- If you read through all the VS posts, they are working on fixing their issues with reporting (which was issue #1).

Correct me if I am wrong surely the affiliate program software is designed to report stats and should be capable of turning on any stat at a click of the button that is what they are paying for.
At least that is how it works where I work, if we need more data and it is built into the framework then it is a simple check box to get that new info.

If the software does not allow that then it is basically a piece of turd. I make @AussieDave right, if you do not keep on at the program then it does get swept under the carpet all too often.

Far too many excuses for my liking.

Keep up the good work @AussieDave

 

[BetOnlineUK]

I'm really confused. What stats are missing?

I get the following

Deposits (sent to me over request on email)
Withdrawals (sent to me over request on email)
+ Full break down on affiliate program how my commission is calculated.

I don't get this with any other program. So not understanding the issue.

Why should you have to request the most basic stats that are essential to an affiliate to build effective campaigns.

 

[Jack Lee]

Why should you have to request the most basic stats that are essential to an affiliate to build effective campaigns.

I just dont understand what stats they are not sharing which everyone is talking about. Seem more like most complaints are coming from people not working with them.

The deposit and withdrawal report is going live in aug/sept. Don't see the problem. Just my two cents.

 

[BetOnlineUK]

The deposit and withdrawal report is going live in aug/sept. Don't see the problem. Just my two cents.

But why so long, lets see when they finally do go up. Aug/Sept is vague just switch the column on.

As for not working with them I did sign up with best intentions of adding them but thankfully the posts here showed me the bigger picture. True commissions working out about a 1/10 of advertised

 

[Jack Lee]

But why so long, lets see when they finally do go up. Aug/Sept is vague just switch the column on.

As for not working with them I did sign up with best intentions of adding them but thankfully the posts here showed me the bigger picture. True commissions working out about a 1/10 of advertised

I don't know why its taking long, I'm just happy its being done. They kept their deadline on the break down report.
But compared to other programs its quite fast. What other programs will show you all these stats(full break down on calculation plus deposit and withdrawal report)?

 

[Shay]

I just dont understand what stats they are not sharing which everyone is talking about. Seem more like most complaints are coming from people not working with them.

The deposit and withdrawal report is going live in aug/sept. Don't see the problem. Just my two cents.

The fees passed on to affiliates, which is quite substantial from what I've understood from reading in the forum. If anything is vulgar or inflammatory - it is those fees.