RogueHouse

[lojo]

Am I missing something? When I look in the rogue house I don't see a listing for ace revenue or gambling wages. Am I confused or has something changed?

I admit I haven't quite figured out how to make my way around the forums/site yet and I may not have privileges because I'm not an actual affiliate. But if memory serves me, and I could be wrong, there was a manual (board room) aspect introduced that said that if it was on casinomeister rogue list they... ahhh... couldn't be certified. i was thinking they were actually rogued here. dumb me.

Please tell me I am wrong, I thought AGD used the word ROGUE for AR if not GW.

I am seeing a lot of these casinos showing up on a lot of pages.

PLEASE tell me that affiliates here who promote these properties are not so afeared of the shaming that they simply don't bitch so the programs aren't "rogued" for lack of affies getting burned.

I'd like to know if the leopard has changed its stripes. I wanna know from the whole board if this is a tacit endorsement and if so what is the logic?

Did Marty change the behaviour enough to simply satisfy affiliates or was it systemic enough that these casinos can all be promoted with a clear conscience?

They are getting a lot of juice these days, can anyone tell me why?
They don't seem to be in the roguehouse here, can anyone tell me why?

Bottom line: Any affiliate complaints in the last six months? Any legit player complaints in the last year? Marty supposedly unified the terms throughout the properties. What' s the story today?

I could be totally confused and I do know that scorpions can change their nature and leopards their spots. But what is up here. Honestly.

 

[lojo]

No need for me to be so vehement so I am editing this post. It is a serious question. I want to know why so many affiliates are promoting Gambling Wages. Are they treating affiliates right now? Have they established a record of fair play with players? Without getting personal I would like some of you who promote them to tell me. I have a hunch based on history that they haven't changed but i would like some data please.

If I have to listen to my own voice bounce off the walls much longer it is going to get louder. I'm in this business too in my own way so a little feedback would be helpful.

If I don't get constructive feedback about how they operate today and for the last 6 months and year I guess I can assume they are still the same and that anyone who promotes them is either naive or just doesn't care. I honestly need to know so I can go forward. Is it too much to ask? I don't think so.

 

[lojo]

I realize it is Sunday most places on the planet so not too many people are at work. But seriously folks, I have clients leaning toward promoting these properties and I would like to know the skinny.

 

[Vladi]

I don't know. I don't promote or endorse them. I made that mistake years ago, got shafted and wised up. My guess would be desperate affiliates are turning to them because of the lack of options for U.S. traffic.

Also places like CAP continue to allow them to spamvertise themselves regularly so green affiliates who don't know their history are likely to get sucked in and eventually ripped off just like the players.

It is surprising that they are listed as predatory but not rogue, given that aside from their horrendous treatment of players, it is common knowledge that they use the old bogus "manager credits" scam to reduce affiliate commissions all the time.

As for "Marty Davis" cleaning up the place, well lets just say he was just like every other affiliate manager they brought in on a short term drive to recruit new affiliates and players. They do it every couple of years and the sad thing is it works. He is now long gone.
Marty Davis - Costa Rica | LinkedIn

 

[lojo]

Thanks Vladi
yeah I provided that link for Marty to this forum. And yeah, I know you used to promote them, and yes I know about the florida land/condo deal and yes they are being promoted heavily, and yes I know that I have been used as a tool by them five years ago or so.

I hope you didn't lose respect for me when I called you to task in that other thread and I do apologize whole heartedly for name calling.

Does anyone who promotes them have the skinny? Are they paying players? Are they shafting affiliates? Please come out of the closet folks, I read your pages, I know who promotes them, I even see board members promoting casino extreme but that is not what I am after here. I am after the data of Marty's influence. Are they still sh*t?

I don't know. I don't promote or endorse them. I made that mistake years ago, got shafted and wised up. My guess would be desperate affiliates are turning to them because of the lack of options for U.S. traffic.

Also places like CAP continue to allow them to spamvertise themselves regularly so green affiliates who don't know their history are likely to get sucked in and eventually ripped off just like the players.

It is surprising that they are listed as predatory but not rogue, given that aside from their horrendous treatment of players, it is common knowledge that they use the old bogus "manager credits" scam to reduce affiliate commissions all the time.

As for "Marty Davis" cleaning up the place, well lets just say he was just like every other affiliate manager they brought in on a short term drive to recruit new affiliates and players. They do it every couple of years and the sad thing is it works. He is now long gone.
Marty Davis - Costa Rica | LinkedIn

 

[lojo]

Please be honest. There is something very untoward about so many people promoting these properties and not giving the forums your experiences. I for one will not cast an aspersion on you for stating your experience. I may ask for player data but it is none of my business who you sell, I just want to know why.

Regardless of the feedback I am going to suggest to my clients that they wait a year at least to see what it up and i will start gathering data in the meantime.

The silence datum counts as well

 

[Vladi]

Perhaps the question would get more of a response at CAP and GPWA where both Gambling Wages and Ace Revenue (same owner) are promoted heavily.

 

[onlineslotmachines]

Shlak House

C-Planet continues to be a platinum sponsor at the GPWA. Many members over there have had very negative experiences with C-Planet, but the GPWA management is much more interested in how much money they can make from a shlak platinum sponsor than in reputation.

 

[Vladi]

It has been like that for years at GPWA and CAP. Same old, same old.

I think that there are far more posters here with a sense of ethics and concern for players who won't knowingly promote these sort of operators. So I think lojo you might get a bigger sample size over at those sites where the members either aren't as switched on, or have a lower care factor.

 

[Guard Dog]

I agree that there are definitely fewer affiliates here at AGD who promote these places, but that is because we have some of the most knowledgeable affiliates here. Those who chose to be at AGD understand the risks associated with promoting places with poor T&C's as well as places like GW who shaft affiliates purposefully.

As far as AGD.... Ace Revenue has good terms and is only considered 'bad' due to their relation with GW. As such, we could list them predatory only - not Rogue. If they shaft players or affiliates, we can Rogue them. Just the way the cookie crumbles here.

GW - simply not listed. Because we have never reviewed or cared to review them.

 

[lojo]

Thanks all but I prefer not to join those sites. I find the integrity of AGD above reproach as long as Andy is the owner. I'll give GW another year to prove themselves before I recommend. Thanks

 

[lojo]

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It is surprising that they are listed as predatory but not rogue, given that aside from their horrendous treatment of players, it is common knowledge that they use the old bogus "manager credits" scam to reduce affiliate commissions all the time.
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I have open accounts at most of the properties and check my history every few months. Some totally deleted the past at my request (the old more chips than deposits rule) and of the others no manager credits have been placed since Marty was there. If what you say is still true then they need the red flag here in my opinion.

 

[dominique]

I am not sure, but I think I read some place that they do the old bonuses for some properties, but not others.

I couldn't swear by it though, I don't pay attention to them.

 

[Vladi]

I have open accounts at most of the properties and check my history every few months. Some totally deleted the past at my request (the old more chips than deposits rule) and of the others no manager credits have been placed since Marty was there. If what you say is still true then they need the red flag here in my opinion.

Sorry I no longer have an account that I can check with them.

 

[bonustreak]

Don't know don't promote them ..

 

[lojo]

Sorry I no longer have an account that I can check with them.

I just haven't bothered to close the accounts, I've never closed an account anywhere I guess I could though. It has been years since I deposited. I did play a 'free chip' Marty gave me to settle money they owed me from 2006 or somewhere in there because I felt confident he would get me paid if I won.

I'm not seeing any reason to recommend them but I'll look again in a year a lot of big affiliates have them listed now and I was wondering if anything had changed - but you are probably right, just desperation with the US market. There are enough solid RTG operations to choose from.

 

[Guard Dog]

I honestly do not understand any of that. What does this even mean?

CAP & GPWA is the rot, if AGD members ignore common denominator, source of "affiliate problems" are ignored.


AGD can either prove themselves and risk personal loss or join "controlled opposition" with CAP & GWCA against affiliates.

 

[dominique]

Not a clue!

 

[onlineslotmachines]

Rogue House

I have noticed that a member of this forum generally posts a payment from GW on or about the 14th of the month. I don't see it for this month. It is interesting to note that certain affiliates get paid by GW while others don't.

 

[KasinoKing]

I honestly do not understand any of that...

Whew - I'm not the only one then!

KK