Vegas Aces Casino - New Rival

[TheGamblingGuru]

WTF is up with this new Rival Casino, Vegas Aces Casino? VegasAces.com

On their T's & C's page and also their "about us" page, it states absolutely nothing at all about who runs or manages this Rival Casino. It appears to be another Rival White Label judging by the bonus terms.

There is no information at all regarding weekly or monthly cashout limits as there are in other Rival Casino T's & C's pages.

No mention at all about Silverstone or BC owning this casino or anyone else for that matter.

Are any of you guys promoting this casino with no more info about it than what is mentioned on their website?
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[TheGamblingGuru]

It also shows on the T's & C's page that Canada is not listed as a restricted Country...WTF is that about Rival?

Actually it shows no restricted Countries at all in the T's & C's! It only shows who is bonus banned below...


#19. Players from the following countries are welcome to play in the Vegas Aces Casino, but are unfortunately not eligible to claim any bonus offers unless otherwise specified: Denmark, Finland, Italy, Latvia, Netherlands, Poland, Singapore, and Sweden.

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[TheGamblingGuru]

Looks like it's another shabbily put together Rival "Mom & Pop" operation!

Who knows really, not by the info they have listed there on their website, that's for sure.
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[bonustreak]

Actually this is a casino from BetUS and we are in the middle of review the terms now hun so stay tuned

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Actually this is a casino from BetUS and we are in the middle of review the terms now hun so stay tuned

Thanks Streak, I am concerned though that they have failed to mention any of the above information on their website that I posted about. Especially in regards to player cashout limits, weekly and monthly max limits.

Maybe you guys can mention that fact to them when you talk to em.
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[KasinoKing]

BetUS told me in person in January that this casino was coming - but it took bloody AGES to go live.

I just hope it's more successful than the BetUS Rival casino; been promoting that over a year, and yet according to them I have had not ONE single sign-up...

KK

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

BetUS told me in person in January that this casino was coming - but it took bloody AGES to go live.

I just hope it's more successful than the BetUS Rival casino; been promoting that over a year, and yet according to them I have had not ONE single sign-up...

KK

Jeezus christ man, I don't know how in the hell it could be successful at all considering the fact that you just lost out on a $450 deposit because I signed up thru your site, played the $27 in about 2 minutes and was going to deposit but WTF!!! The only SINGLE deposit option that this place has is Visa!!

No UseMyWallet, No Click2Pay, No Neteller, No eWalletExpress!!

How the phuck does this outfit expect players to give them money for krist sake??

Don't think that I will be wasting my time promoting this one....oh and guess how many options it shows in the cashier for withdrawals....not a phucking one!!

It says if you want to withdrawal you have to call or get on live chat for a check or wire transfer or cash withdrawal....cash withdrawal!!!, what the hell are they going to do, sent you cash in an envelope??

Jeezus, Andy, this place is most definitely not player friendly. I think you need to seriously consider ALL of the facts that I have brought up in this thread here before you guys approve this place!!
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[TheGamblingGuru]

I hope one of you guys that are part of the "team" members here who approve these casinos and programs for listing here has read my last sentence in the post directly above!
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[Guard Dog]

Yes, but we don't make decisions willy nilly either It's being discussed, but that is not necessarily the purpose of AGD.

I plan to have a discussion with you about it, though. You and another person who goes by the initials K.... K.

 

[Engineer]

Yeah, I saw it. All I can say is "stay tuned." If Andy cares to elaborate, he will. ;D

What I will say is that AGD doesn't look at playthrough requirements, player deposit options, etc. AGD has always been focused on the affiliate side, with a stipulation recently added that if a casino is rogued at Casinomeister, the program can't be certified here.

There are many entities out there that are focused on one thing only, and they do a good job at that one thing. For example, StatsRemote. They allow remote access to many affiliate programs, even ones that are considered rogue by most people. I don't expect them to "not" include a program in their system because I think it's a rogue outfit. Similarly, look at TST. They certify random number generators at all kinds of casinos, even ones that are rogue or run by idiots. As far as I know, nobody has ever asked TST not to certify a certain casino because the playthrough requirements weren't as nice as some other casino. Example 3: Casinomeister. He's focused mainly on the players, not on whether affiliate program T&Cs are friendly or not.

So, I would say thanks very much for the info about the player T&Cs, but personally, my vote will be based on the affiliate program T&Cs only, since that is what the AGD certification criteria is based on.

But like I said at the beginning, stay tuned....

Edit: Andy beat me to it...

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Yes, but we don't make decisions willy nilly either It's being discussed, but that is not necessarily the purpose of AGD.

I plan to have a discussion with you about it, though. You and another person who goes by the initials K.... K.

I can dig that BUT, IMO...it's not even "affiliate friendly" if it does not even bother to state in the affiliate program T's & C's who even owns the place, ya know.

A little more basic info on some of these places is most definitely needed in the programs T's & C's pages IMO. Just look back at LV Casino or Slot Madness for example. They were also approved here as "affiliate friendly" and look who got stuck with not being paid from these programs. That's part of the point I am making here.

These programs IMO need to be a lot more forthright if they want an AGD listing. The "AGD Listing" should set them above the rest of the pack and should be looked upon by the program as an "elite listing", not just merely similar to a 'GPWA sponsor listing' that they can simply pay for... BUT rather a listing that has to be earned.
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[Guard Dog]

All listings here are earned, sponsors are held to a higher standard.

As far as ownership, part of the procedure is a document which states the ownership as well as contact information. Due to privacy, this is something that is held in confidence and not on an internet-enabled server.

Ownership, in most cases, though is a corporate entity (not an individual that we can pick out and say... hey! It's that guy!). That is the way most businesses run.

I think we do a pretty good job given what our mission is set out to accomplish. We aren't perfect, but we are adapting.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

All listings here are earned, sponsors are held to a higher standard.

That's good to know then...

As far as ownership, part of the procedure is a document which states the ownership as well as contact information. Due to privacy, this is something that is held in confidence and not on an internet-enabled server.

Pivacy is all good an fine until one gets shafted in the example I gave above regarding LV and Slot Madness. I would also go as far as to add that if a program does this WITHOUT first making things right with their "affiliate partners" then all bets are off as far as keeping their "contact details" a private matter!

Ownership, in most cases, though is a corporate entity (not an individual that we can pick out and say... hey! It's that guy!). That is the way most businesses run.

Maybe "most businesses" on the internet but not in the 'real world' as we both know. The problem IMO though is the simple fact that this program 'Vegas Aces' does not even bother to mention the simple fact that they are connected to "Bet US" anywhere at all in their T's & C's page listed here Vegas Aces Affiliates unless I have just totally missed this statement somewhere.

I think we do a pretty good job given what our mission is set out to accomplish. We aren't perfect, but we are adapting.

And so do I, I don't think that fact has ever even come into the equation here, now or in the past. Other than the 'Ace Revenue' blunder.
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[bb1webs]

we are adapting.

it was noted that AGD is about the aff side which I can and do appreciate, but I think that entails to a point, the player side too.

Otherwords I wouldn't want a program presented to me as being an honorable affiliate program ... if on the other side the players are not being treated in an acceptable manner because it does me a dis-service to believe a program is good for players ... when it is not.

However I think that is covered since they've the deal that if all is not well at CMs, it won't be here.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

it was noted that AGD is about the aff side which I can and do appreciate, but I think that entails to a point, the player side too.

Otherwords I wouldn't want a program presented to me as being an honorable affiliate program ... if on the other side the players are not being treated in an acceptable manner because it does me a dis-service to believe a program is good for players ... when it is not.

Agreed!

However I think that is covered since they've the deal that if all is not well at CMs, it won't be here.

To an extent that is true, but Bryan (Casinomeister) also does not list or even look into many casinos for this reason or that and then by the time he does add them to the "Rogue List" it is too late in some cases regarding various player issues. Also as far as I know Casinomeister does not check a casinos T's & C's for being "player friendly" either. There are several casinos he has listed on his "accredited list" that actually have predatory terms in their T's & C's.

So I think the fact that AGD is using Casinomeister's Rogue List as a benchmark is good but in the same regard it is not optimum. I think other factors should also be considered other than just using Casinomeister as a benchmark.

On another note, I'm not mentioning all of this strictly in regards to "Vegas Aces" but for all listed programs here.
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