Why Affiliates Distrust Affiliate Programs!

[bonustreak]

Came across this great article on LinkedIn today, I applaud the author and I hope NetEnt takes notice!

http://www.cassaon-casino.com/blog/gambling/why-casino-affiliates-distrust-affiliate-programs/

 

[FreePoker]

Damn good article! I never understood why the casinos and brands never let us (affiliates) check out our player stats. I know a few that sorta give you a general overview of what is going on, but who knows what happens behind the curtain! I will be sure to link this article on some of my sites, and hopefully it gets around!

 

[slotplayer]

The best way to check stats is to run an audit.

 

[LandofOz]

Maybe someone can put together a group of people who can periodically sign up at various online casinos through affiliate links, make purchases and test the tracking and statistical reports before making all tests and findings public on the forums, etc.

 

[Engineer]

APCW used to do that.

 

[slotplayer]

APCW used to do that.

I think he's in bed though.

 

[slotplayer]

As far as I know the RTG's can't demap players . At least that's the way it was a few years ago.
I can't find the email though to see what it said exactly.

 

[KasinoKing]

Maybe someone can put together a group of people who can periodically sign up at various online casinos through affiliate links, make purchases and test the tracking and statistical reports before making all tests and findings public on the forums, etc.

IF (and that's a BIG IF) there was enough interest in this from 6 or so AGD members, we could do it ourselves.
I would be more than happy to sign-up, deposit and play though another member's links - as long as it not one of the 280+ casinos I've already joined.

I have actually thought about doing this several times: get a few volunteers and give them say $50 to sign-up and deposit though my links - anything they win is theirs to keep. The big problem is these people need to be someone you can 100% trust to actually do what you ask.

KK

 

[bonustreak]

Many tell us they cannot detag players but they do - I am told from several RTG that players cannot be untagged but where then do you suggest our big players disappear to
I have a few brands that my players have never left my account even
after 8 plus yrs... These are all RTG.. I have a player that is at Earn Affiliates & this player is still around after 2 yrs.

What do you think that one person Leopold commenting meant by this?
-I have seen with my own eyes player disappearing one hour later they signed-up.
-I know, that ghost accounts were or will be created by affiliate manager or program directors to switch also high rollers from the webmaster account to this ghost accounts as long as they go broke. After this the expressed player will be switched back to the webmaster. For the webmaster the player only was on vacation. No suspicion arises.
-I can proof, that privacy data from webmasters will be shared and sold on conferences.
-Evidences about questionable practices e.g. about Income Access just disappear from the public.

 

[bonustreak]

I would be interested in doing this as well but of course I would have to test USA accepting places.. I just tested a place for a friend who asked and he does the same for me often. I think a group of is doing this together would be great!

 

[Guard Dog]

I agree. I would be willing to do any help to organize or put together an 'area' where we could do this confidentially. But I can never seem to deposit anywhere, so being a player wouldn't be likely for me

 

[slotplayer]

Many tell us they cannot detag players but they do - I am told from several RTG that players cannot be untagged but where then do you suggest our big players disappear to
I have a few brands that my players have never left my account even
after 8 plus yrs... These are all RTG.. I have a player that is at Earn Affiliates & this player is still around after 2 yrs.

What do you think that one person Leopold commenting meant by this?
-I have seen with my own eyes player disappearing one hour later they signed-up.
-I know, that ghost accounts were or will be created by affiliate manager or program directors to switch also high rollers from the webmaster account to this ghost accounts as long as they go broke. After this the expressed player will be switched back to the webmaster. For the webmaster the player only was on vacation. No suspicion arises.
-I can proof, that privacy data from webmasters will be shared and sold on conferences.
-Evidences about questionable practices e.g. about Income Access just disappear from the public.

I have no idea what the truth is and am almost always left with suspicion but not much surprises me in this industry. Tbh, I can only look at the numbers and see if they pan out with reasonable expectations. For the most part I stopped promoting any IA programs back 2011 except for a couple that migrated over.

I could list a 1/2 dozens examples where I brought up something odd to me (stats wise) to an AM and suddenly its as expected.

 

[slotplayer]

I agree. I would be willing to do any help to organize or put together an 'area' where we could do this confidentially. But I can never seem to deposit anywhere, so being a player wouldn't be likely for me

I tested 3 programs back 2011-2012 and they were as expected. (DM, AE and Mainstreet). Betting Partners could not process the deposit so I gave up after a few attempts. Then there was some unrelated fraud, (Home Depot I think) and the bank replaced my cards, so I decided not to use them online after that and stopped playing.

 

[bonustreak]

IA is the worst and they never get called out! Now they have landed a contract in Jersey which totally sucks.... They have a lot of power in this industry and are able to squash things. I am always told it is the operator error when IA stats don't add up.
If you work with a program and make great money, have lots of players and this said program moves over to IA, you have no choice really but to move over and work with them.

 

[RyanWeb]

You can count me in to sign up and test US based programs (that I am not already a member of..).. Love the idea of this actually.

On the other-side.. Wouldn't it be like fishing with pretty bad odds? I would assume they are only de-tagging/otherbadthing 1 in a hundred (or more) players, if at all. So your chances of catching a shady operator would be slim.

Not to say I wouldn't totally support this idea, because many of us play a little anyway, so might as well do some testing at the same time..

Now if you do this regularly, and publicly.. Then operators may be more hesitant to de-tag/otherbadthing players... Just my 2 cents.

 

[RyanWeb]

I agree. I would be willing to do any help to organize or put together an 'area' where we could do this confidentially. But I can never seem to deposit anywhere, so being a player wouldn't be likely for me

You can't deposit at US facing programs? I have never had a problem.. I always use credit card and they go right through.. (most recently LuckyRed and Slotocash.. )

 

[slotplayer]

IF (and that's a BIG IF) there was enough interest in this from 6 or so AGD members, we could do it ourselves.
I would be more than happy to sign-up, deposit and play though another member's links - as long as it not one of the 280+ casinos I've already joined.

I have actually thought about doing this several times: get a few volunteers and give them say $50 to sign-up and deposit though my links - anything they win is theirs to keep. The big problem is these people need to be someone you can 100% trust to actually do what you ask.

KK

maybe make a unique sub-campaign link and email it to them.

 

[CygX1]

Rtg, the software provider with the most disreputable operators in the history of online gaming does not enable their clients to re-tag customers... Sure, sure.

The problem with single test sign-ups is that these players are most likely not really HR's. Crooked operators are most likely mainly focused to re-tag these types of customers and it does not mean much if a $200 test player is tracked correctly when the higher bettors are quickly disappearing or not showing up in the statistics at all.

 

[LandofOz]

True. Crooked outfits would be more interested in stealing the high rollers as opposed to the $20 and $50 depositing players. But I still think that it would be a good idea to set up some sort of ongoing testing operation, if only to see if the click-thrus and registrations are being tracked properly. Can we set up some sort of voting system to decide if it's worth going ahead with it?

 

[AussieDave]

As far as I know the RTG's can't demap players . At least that's the way it was a few years ago.

I bagged a whale way back in 2002/03 at Casino Extreme (RTG). On the 1'st the player went MIA, no record of the person playing. The AM denied everything... If I wasn't friends with Michael Staw (the then CEO of RTG), I'd have never seen my $5.4K commission or have had my whale reinstated back to my aff account.

Michael didn't go into the details of what took place but clearly the program untagged my player.

Every program has the capacity to map players, just as they can demap/untag a player(s) too.

The motivating factor however ALL stems back to greed & what the probability is of the program getting busted being scallywags! With some of the outright crooked T&C changes some places make, I often wonder if their lack-of-scruples also includes stealing players as well... just sayin!