WTF? :: C-Planet links on Golden Casino

[WCD Admin]

I debated about where to put this post (CPlanet, or BCP) - if its wrong, Mod can move it - but I put it here because I had not faith in BCP responding at all. I tried to blog about this but in the end I realized not enough people would see it and - I'm kind of corny sounding. So I stripped out most of the blah blah, so I can get a response, because this makes me mad:

As a webmaster most of us are frustrated when a program changes link structure... When this happens we all have to spend loads of time finding deep links and banners that we've put on our websites over the years. Otherwise we face losing our traffic and earnings. To make matters worse this takes away the precious time we have left over for development, with the remainder of our time going towards chasing late payments from certain habitual offenders and watching the forums to see what or who we need to be watching out for next.

What's more, most of the time the affiliate program can change ONE file to save all of us our earnings, effort and time. That's the way a partner would treat you, right? Not put the burden on the affiliates who collectively have to change 100s of 1000s of links. Instead of making things easy and protecting us from the changes they are making - all to often we hear them nagging US that we need to get on the ball and change those links.

I've recently run into something that adds insult to injury here: Remember Golden Casino? run by Best Casino Partners? the program that sprung up out of Casino Blasters? Study this image:

So... why instead of altering one file so we get credit for our traffic do we find a bunch of C-Planet links all over this page?

Remember NewGoldenCasino.com from when they had us run out and change the links the first time? the C-planet links are there, too. Whose link is this? xhttp://rexfind.com/click?method=nojs&site=goldencasino.com&uid=89&rid=452&msid=3961&tag=

BCP: - why didn't you treat us like partners here and redirect this to Crazy Slots?

C-Planet: - are you profiting from this or is this an affiliate or BCP as an affiliate? Are you aware of it?

 

[WCD Admin]

And yes, I realize that this isn't link structure, Golden Casino closed. But the same is applicable. And clearly they have no problem pointing visitors here to other casinos. What I want to know is why people are profiting on our hard work without regards to us. I am curious if (a) BCP is making the money (b) C-Planet is making the money (c) connection between BCP and C-Planet

ASKING , not accusing.

 

[Rhondagrace]

Hi WCD,

I just put this text in my browser and got pure Vegas casino?

http:// rexfind. com/ click?method=nojs&site=goldencasino.com&uid=89&rid=452&msid=3961&tag=

it must be another affiliate

 

[slotplayer]

All Star Slots is not c-planet, its Affiliate Edge

 

[WCD Admin]

Thanks for comments, I felt like the post belonged more in BCP forum, but a the same time, I didn't think they would comment. maybe it should be over there because from the first two responses I'm being led to believe that its probably someone at Best Casino Partner.

I notice they have an "advertising" page, now, too.... so others who want to purchase the traffic we are sending them can also rob from our traffic. Like I'm saying I want answers here mostly, I've not accused anyone here. If a moderator feels its more appropriate to have this in BCP forum, that's fine with me.

I'd still like to hear C-Planet's take on this type of advertising practice. It's clearly unethical. I could not update the post title to take any impact off C-Planet.

 

[WCD Admin]

In regards to Pure Commission, its a long time STRONG rumor that they are one and the same with Rushmore Group, the company that C-Planet is the affiliate arm for.

pure vegas - Page 2 - Casinomeister's Online Casino and Poker Forum

and here is where Engineer found this group sharing database:
http:// www. affiliateguarddog. com/forums/pure-vegas-casino-connected-gold-vip-club-rogue-casino-t2235.html

 

[Ben C-planet]

Golden Casino

As you can clearly see in the screen shot you posted Golden Casino no
longer takes players in your area , which is the US.

Golden Casino is no longer BCP, the new owners have either sold the page as advertsing to an affilaite or they are the affiliate them selves. Either way they have affiliate links on the page.

If you look closely there are 4 affilaite programs on the page not just C-planet.

casinoaffiliateshare
Affiliate Edge
C-planet
Pure Commission

In regards to BCP changing their link structure, I am sorry for the hours you spend changing your links, but you do need to take that up with them.

Regards
Ben

I debated about where to put this post (CPlanet, or BCP) - if its wrong, Mod can move it - but I put it here because I had not faith in BCP responding at all. I tried to blog about this but in the end I realized not enough people would see it and - I'm kind of corny sounding. So I stripped out most of the blah blah, so I can get a response, because this makes me mad:

As a webmaster most of us are frustrated when a program changes link structure... When this happens we all have to spend loads of time finding deep links and banners that we've put on our websites over the years. Otherwise we face losing our traffic and earnings. To make matters worse this takes away the precious time we have left over for development, with the remainder of our time going towards chasing late payments from certain habitual offenders and watching the forums to see what or who we need to be watching out for next.

What's more, most of the time the affiliate program can change ONE file to save all of us our earnings, effort and time. That's the way a partner would treat you, right? Not put the burden on the affiliates who collectively have to change 100s of 1000s of links. Instead of making things easy and protecting us from the changes they are making - all to often we hear them nagging US that we need to get on the ball and change those links.

I've recently run into something that adds insult to injury here: Remember Golden Casino? run by Best Casino Partners? the program that sprung up out of Casino Blasters? Study this image:

So... why instead of altering one file so we get credit for our traffic do we find a bunch of C-Planet links all over this page?

Remember NewGoldenCasino.com from when they had us run out and change the links the first time? the C-planet links are there, too. Whose link is this? xhttp://rexfind.com/click?method=nojs&site=goldencasino.com&uid=89&rid=452&msid=3961&tag=

BCP: - why didn't you treat us like partners here and redirect this to Crazy Slots?

C-Planet: - are you profiting from this or is this an affiliate or BCP as an affiliate? Are you aware of it?

 

[Ben C-planet]

Pure Com

Hi,
Its not a rumor or a secret Pure Commission is a separate company from C-planet.

We do provide certain support services for them. Nothing untoward as you are trying to make out.

As far as data sharing why don't you ask the engineer , a full explanation was given to him its a sad fact and part of the industry that data bases are compromised and used by unscrupulous programs . Why are you trying to stir trouble what do these two issues have to do with affiliate links on Golden Casino ? Nothing!


Regards

Ben

In regards to Pure Commission, its a long time STRONG rumor that they are one and the same with Rushmore Group, the company that C-Planet is the affiliate arm for.

pure vegas - Page 2 - Casinomeister's Online Casino and Poker Forum

and here is where Engineer found this group sharing database:
https://www.affiliateguarddog.com/f...nnected-gold-vip-club-rogue-casino-t2235.html

 

[WCD Admin]

Actually Ben, Nothing against you. I'm doing due-diligence. See, if I don't and I promote rogue casinos, my peers here tell me I should have investigated. Don't get mad at me for asking questions. I do appreciate your answers. I personally am trying to connect the dots between many programs. No one is handing out pamphlets or road maps. I am in business myself, and I usually don't share intelligence with direct competitors and find it highly suspicious behavior. And when (Rushmore Group) did it apparently our information was stolen and used unscrupulously. You are not being very compassionate about that fact.

If members, affiliate managers, moderators, etc, would like me to stop asking difficult questions then I will simply lurk and create my database and keep the information for myself. In short, if I'm offensive to everyone I'd like to know about it because my intention is not to become a pain around here, but it certainly is to shine light in the shadows.

 

[Vladi]

I am sure I received an email a long time ago saying that Golden Casino had been sold to new owners and was closed to all new players, irrespective of their country. It is not just the USA. Whether a sale is the truth or not I don't know, but I am certain that BCP announced it as I remember updating our database and marking Golden Casino as closed.

There aren't any Golden Casino links in the BCP affiliate program any more, but players still show up in the reports. So it would seem that even if they did sell off the casino they still must have some process set up to collate the stats and pay commissions on players who still play there.

 

[WCD Admin]

Yes, you did get the email. So did I, but absolutely doesn't make this right - they sold off our traffic. - did you get one about this other property of theirs which is stealing our traffic as we speak?
http:// www. affiliateguarddog. com /forums/casinoblasters-bcp-ripoff-t3512.html

Same group as you know, so I'm not sure why you are batting for them so much. I know I didn't get any email and I've worked with both Jeff and Fred for a long time, talk to them on the phone, etc. No one told me about OnlineCasino.com closing up and opening on a new domain so they could set up an affiliate portal and compete with me against their other program BCP.

 

[Vladi]

I am not "batting for them". Believe me I have seen my share of rip-offs.

Assuming they did in fact sell the site (?), then how can they control what the new owner does with it? From what I can see, they are at least doing the right thing in notifying affiliates so we can discontinue sending new traffic there and continuing to track players that were sent to GC before they sold it. I can't see how they could have done it any better?

I had not seen the other one. We don't deal with CasinoBlasters so I wasn't aware of it. That does looks terrible.

 

[BestCasinoPartner]

GoldenCasino.com

Sent to all BestCasinoPartner affiliates on November 23rd, 2009:

Urgent Reminder to All Affiliates re: Golden Casino
Although we've been making every effort to reach all of our valued affiliates by phone and email over the past week, we would also like to take this opportunity to notify you, in case you did not receive our previous communications, of the upcoming changes to Golden Casino.

As you may be aware, one of our clients, Golden Casino, is in the process of being sold. Under the new ownership, Golden Casino will no longer be accepting new players as of December 1, 2009. Please note, however, this decision does not affect existing Golden Casino players and you'll continue to be paid on their losses as long as the casino remains in operation.

This client's decision does not affect the other 3 brands we represent (Online Vegas, GO Casino and Crazy Slots) as the operators of these properties have reaffirmed their commitment to continue operating within the US market.
Although the changes are not due to take place until December 1, we are informing you now in order to give you as much notice as possible so that you may change your links and campaigns in order to promote the other 3 brands prior to December 1.

If you have any questions or concerns, or if you are in need of custom creatives for any property, please let us know.

As indicated above, on December 1st of 2009 the operators of GoldenCasino.com made the decision to stop accepting new players. BestCasinoPartner affiliates were initially notified of the upcoming change on November 16th, 2009 and were encouraged repeatedly thereafter to update their links accordingly. BestCasinoPartner provided affiliates with an additional 5 month grace period during which time all traffic sent to GoldenCasino.com was credited via an internal redirect to another partner casino. Furthermore, to date, every affiliate continues to be paid in full for all commissions accumulated from players, past and present, at GoldenCasino.com. We see no evidence of a lack of attention having been given on the part of BestCasinoPartner.com. Where and how the current management of the GoldenCasino.com domain choose to divert their traffic is not at the discretion of, nor is it the responsibility of BestCasinoPartner.com.

As always, we are happy to address any questions and/or concerns sent to us directly at support@bestcasinopartner.com.

 

[Aussie-Dave]

I've worked with both Jeff and Fred for a long time, talk to them on the phone, etc. No one told me about OnlineCasino.com closing up and opening on a new domain so they could set up an affiliate portal and compete with me against their other program BCP.

I know how you feel Bernie. It's not right but that's just how they play pool, dirty

Play the same game and they go all sookie la la.

If you think what they did was rough, I was promoting a casino group exclusively on a total of 4 sites, when it suited them I was more than just an affiliate...Hell they even sent a rep to see me in Australia. For over 3 years I freely gave them targeted Australian information, thinking and being under the impression we were partners.

You can imagine my horror when I discovered they'd added a two au.theircasinoname.com sub domains and where now in the Australian market.

Of course the rep had only seen me 3 months previously, as if he didn't know they were doing this. Still he made out like they really wanted to get things kicking...

When I asked why they didn't tell me... I was told "we don't tell affiliates everything"...Oh so know we are no longer partners...Yeah right!

And casinos wonder why Governments want to close them down


Cheers



Dave

 

[Aussie-Dave]

Where and how the current management of the GoldenCasino.com domain choose to divert their traffic is not at the discretion of, nor is it the responsibility of BestCasinoPartner.com

Sounds very nice and legal like huh...

BestCasinoPartners...hmmm from what I can tell (I like using my virtual shovel and digging around the net) you program has been associated to those scum bags CPays and Europartners who were in cahoots - busted more than a few time unethically cross marketing.

Personally anything you say ain't worth 2 knobs of goat poop to me buddy!
Your all devious, I wouldn't put it past programs like this selling their own grand mother if meant turning a buck.


No cheers for you & your kind

Dave