All 400 Affiliates Brands redirecting to RedFlush Casino

[GFPC]

Anyway, why waste your time and words on this over at the GPWA, you guys really think Corfman will give a shit as long as the programs keep paying him sponsorship money...really?

I don't, he has proven that many many times before.

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Its hard for me to come to that conclusion just yet. I want to hear what he has to say on this first before I form an opinion.

I will say this - if Rewards Affiliates still is allowed to be a sponsor at GPWA and if Red Returns continues to enjoy sponsorship after this and no voting poll is caste at the GPWA to suspend them then i agree with you.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

And don't forget about this Miles guy that is now working for Red Returns as well...remember, he is one of the ones that left us all hanging on the SlotMadness dealio, WITHOUT PAY!

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[TheGamblingGuru]

Its hard for me to come to that conclusion just yet. I want to hear what he has to say on this first before I form an opinion.

I will say this - if Rewards Affiliates still is allowed to be a sponsor at GPWA and if Red Returns continues to enjoy sponsorship after this and no voting poll is caste at the GPWA to suspend them then i agree with you.

If you're lucky enough to even get him to reply on the issue, he's usually one of the last to reply when he does take the time...just saying....

But good luck on that anyway.

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[inspiration]

Anyway, why waste your time and words on this over at the GPWA, you guys really think Corfman will give a shit as long as the programs keep paying him sponsorship money...really?

I don't, he has proven that many many times before.

If you're lucky enough to even get him to reply on the issue, he's usually one of the last to reply when he does take the time...just saying....

But good luck on that anyway.

Yup when he has finished gobbling his Easter eggs and counting the sponsor pennies.

 

[KasinoKing]

But for sure this is complete trash. They should of alerted us by saying we longer accept CAD traffic. This would allow us to at least give our readers proper information.commissions on them.

So how does everyone feel sending their Canadian players to 400 and allowing them to make rev of your players and commissions.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand why you keep saying you're "sending your Canadian players to 400 group casinos"...

Surely everyone knows that ALL Rival casinos shut off ALL Canadian players from February 1st 2009 - more than 2 years ago - so it's nothing new.
Did you REALLY not know that?
Just saying...

KK

 

[GFPC]

I was not aware of that for all rivals - however are you suggesting they should of not informed us?

Referback had a system a while back (for USA traffic) that informed all affiliates they would sign them up on a redirect to I believe slototastic if i remember correctly.

The whole point is - our traffic whether it be Canadian - or from TOGO should not be used for their gain.

Like other sites - it just does not allow them sign up to the casino.

If they plan on using our Canadian traffic to gain revenue we should get a share of that.


DO you now understand that - just saying

I'm sorry, but I don't understand why you keep saying you're "sending your Canadian players to 400 group casinos"...

Surely everyone knows that ALL Rival casinos shut off ALL Canadian players from February 1st 2009 - more than 2 years ago - so it's nothing new.
Did you REALLY not know that?
Just saying...

KK

 

[Vladi]

Surely everyone knows that ALL Rival casinos shut off ALL Canadian players from February 1st 2009 - more than 2 years ago - so it's nothing new.

++ Thanks for saying it before I did. I was reading this thread thinking I was lost in a time warp or something.

Granted this 400 Affs group is pretty much scum, but if you are sending Canadian traffic to Rival casinos then you have already lost it anyway because it never would have converted.

 

[GFPC]

Granted this 400 Affs group is pretty much scum, but if you are sending Canadian traffic to Rival casinos then you have already lost it anyway because it never would have converted.

I understand that but Canadians are likely to click links from various websites who promote 400 affiliates. And when they get to their sites they are redirected. When they are redirected to Red Flush Casino and deposit 400 Affiliates is making affiliates earnings from your traffic.

I guess since Rival takes no CAD players that makes it ok them for both Red Returns and 400 Affiliates.

I see now.

 

[Vladi]

Yes they are making money from your traffic. Traffic that you gave them for free because you would never have earned more than zero from it. And Rival did inform people a few years ago like KK said.

I don't see how you can complain about what a website does with traffic they receive from you if you are sending them visitors that cannot possibly sign up there. Even if you missed the announcement, do you not read the terms and conditions of the casinos that you are referring players to? They all say they don't accept players from Canada, France, Curacao and more.

In fact I don't see how this is much different from an affiliate using Google search traffic to earn affiliate commissions. I am sure you don't give Google a cut of your affiliate earnings each month.

There are a lot of things going on at the moment concerning affiliates that are worth kicking up a fuss about, but this is just crying over spilt milk.

 

[inspiration]

Yes they are making money from your traffic. Traffic that you gave them for free because you would never have earned more than zero from it. And Rival did inform people a few years ago like KK said.

I don't see how you can complain about what a website does with traffic they receive from you if you are sending them visitors that cannot possibly sign up there. Even if you missed the announcement, do you not read the terms and conditions of the casinos that you are referring players to? They all say they don't accept players from Canada, France, Curacao and more.

In fact I don't see how this is much different from an affiliate using Google search traffic to earn affiliate commissions. I am sure you don't give Google a cut of your affiliate earnings each month.

There are a lot of things going on at the moment concerning affiliates that are worth kicking up a fuss about, but this is just crying over spilt milk.

This is not true ! players from Canada do click on the 400group banners and I want to refer these players - when they are on MY SITES - to use my MG affiliate links not the 400group period. In fact we are advertising Rival/MG with one affiliate link the latter however is not paid for traffic from our sites.

Google has nothing to do with that once on the site.

 

[GFPC]

There are a lot of things going on at the moment concerning affiliates that are worth kicking up a fuss about, but this is just crying over spilt milk.

Don't drink milk sorry! but thanks for the analogy. Interesting you find this practice of cross promoting acceptable in this case. It sets a dangerous path ahead should we accept your view on things..

Oh wait - maybe Poker Stars and Fulltilt and UB and Absolute Poker should have a redirect of all US traffic they get from all affiliates to say Bodog for example.

In fact maybe all Casinos, and Poker Rooms should follow this practice and use our traffic to convert players on other brands.

Its not worth crying over spilt milk - I know I know!

EDIT: Just thought of this. All Casinos and Poker Rooms who do not allow USA players - should become affiliates for sites that do allow US players and when US traffic comes in via affiliate sites they will get the conversion and all commissions solely for themselves. Sounds great. I mean affiliates would MAKE ZERO right from this traffic anyways - so it should be no problem at all. Essentially what your saying!

 

[dominique]

I know, Rewards cross-promotes - but they do have a feature where you can redirect your US traffic arriving at their casinos to the site of your choice, with your tag.

So that is entirely possible for casinos to do.

 

[Engineer]

IMO, affiliates should receive a cut of any profits generated at Red Flush.

Adding a bounce link option (like what Rewards has had in place for years) is such an easy thing to do. 400 should set something up where you can decide where to send your bounced Canadian traffic.

Send it to Red Flush with your tag in place, or send it to a different casino, or send it to one of your own affiliate sites (that's what I do with my Rewards bounce link).

There are many possibilities here, if only they would take a couple of hours to set it up. They have the geotargeting set up -- 90% of the work is already done.

 

[slotplayer]

Does anyone even earn with them anymore? I did very good in 09 and ok last year but this year all my players are gone and any new ones never deposit.

I have/had a solid long term tiv player that has logged in every single day for months (since last dec) but never deposits. I'm told that he's looking for freebies.

So he either can't deposit for whatever reason or its not being credited.

Either way the outcome is the same so I just pulled the group.

Personally, the industry has become mentally exausting and emotionally draining.

 

[Engineer]

I haven't earned anything from 400 Affiliates in a long time.

Personally, the industry has become mentally exhausting and emotionally draining.

Agreed.

 

[WCD Admin]

I understand what you are all saying, but I understand Vladi and KK, too.

- it is worth your time/investment to setup geoIP or have someone do this for you. keep the list of countries a brand accepts/rejects up-to-date in OpenX or other banner software.

- on the one hand I see your commission being taken from you. BUT playing devils advocate with Vladi here, you can't expect these groups to be making tools for us all the time when they are already readily available for us to employ ourselves.... and most of us were aware about the Canadian thing with Rival (And I THINK, not positive so don't beat me) that we were alerted via email.

in 2006 when things first got rough it was really nice for the programs to help us out with tools as we grew with the situation... but at this point GEOIP should be part of your arsenal.

we use openX and maxmind geoIP database...

 

[Daera]

Oh i see... I didn't know that. That does make sense though. The fact that only three of them are redirecting.

Actually I agree with you - what a great idea! A section maybe called

"Cross Promoting Predatory Programs" - something like that.

This cross promotion thing is something that i feel we are going to have to understand will only continue more. Many brands are merging together and selling each others databases as well...

Essentially this seems to be a reoccurring issue that will simply not go away and we are going to be faced with this again and again.

You may be right to add it in its own field.

Lets face it - if Rewards Affiliates is doing this with 22 casinos - and other brands are doing it - the ball has been set in motion for all to do it.

It is going to get worse. What i do not like is the SNEAKY way they did this.

Overnight! Without a peep!

At least Rewards had the balls to come out and say we are doing it.

It looks like many affiliates will have lots of work to do!

The difference with Rewards is that they're not directing our traffic to another casino. They are not sending out emails to affiliate tagged players with bonus offers to try and get the player to play at a different casino of theirs. The only thing they're doing wrong in regards to cross promoting is that they have links on their newsletter and website that goes to other casinos of theirs without giving an affiliate tagged player to the affiliate that player was already tagged to. I'm not saying that is ideal, but imo it's not as bad.

One thing Rewards does offer which I like a whole lot, and think all programs should offer this, is the "Bounce Back Link" tool. With that tool, we can choose exactly where we want our U.S. traffic redirected to. In my Rewards account, I have my affiliate link for another U.S. facing program in the Bounce Back Link area. So I'll still get credit for any U.S. traffic I send. That's a big plus if you ask me. And to all the other programs, I wish they would consider offering this tool as well.

 

[inspiration]

The difference with Rewards is that they're not directing our traffic to another casino. They are not sending out emails to affiliate tagged players with bonus offers to try and get the player to play at a different casino of theirs.

You are wrong, they do.

I got an email for Goldentiger 1500 free spins sent to my Grand Mondial player email.

No tracking links to CR / 22Casinos in emails or for their websites is bad and not mentioned in T&C at Rewardsaffiliates, we have not been informed about this which in itself is unethical.

 

[WCD Admin]

OpenX is free
MaxMind is $12 a month

Could be the cheapest high quality traffic you ever bought !!

 

[slotplayer]

You are wrong, they do.

I got an email for Goldentiger 1500 free spins sent to my Grand Mondial player email.

No tracking links to CR / 22Casinos in emails or for their websites is bad and not mentioned in T&C at Rewardsaffiliates, we have not been informed about this which in itself is unethical.

like I said I got a mailer to play at Nostalgia last june. Never had an account there. Had a couple at the other properies but they were closed 6 months prior.