Been thinking

[lojo]

This is contra CR and anyone who sells them.

I gamed at the Club and Intertops so i know.

Microgaming is a big fat Kentucky fried chicken shack and the only difference in the games is how you play so rogue casino rewards. They suck from a player perspective.

If they suck from a promoter perspective c'est la vie, kick 'em


40 casinos are not needed

 

[bonustreak]

Your style of posting is not appreciated and your being warned as of now to knock it off.

Please let AGD handle this situation we are not ignoring the issue, everyone just need to be patient!

 

[Aussie-Dave]

Please let AGD handle this situation we are not ignoring the issue, everyone just need to be patient!

With all due respect closing an important thread like the https://www.affiliateguarddog.com/forums/cr-issue-t4308.html and saying it's being closed for behaviour reasons is pretty sad IMHO.

If some people are behaving badly, issue infridgements or give a ban period but closing it down when enough proof and a doubt to what's going on at CR/RA doesn't makes things look good...especially.

I mean seriously...the GPWA does stuff like this and your following suit. If that's not how it is then it should be re-opened.

For anyone who has seriously promoted CR gaming properties these affiliates have been shafted BIG time. We're not talking chump change nor a handful of players.

When I add all my real registered players together and that of those who were brought over from PlayShare - who btw I'd been promoting their casinos since they opened 2006, that amounts to a heafty number of players. Although I have an estimate I, honestly shudder to think how much I've been screwed over.

So if I've been obtuse or posting like I hold no punches you'll understand why...

 

[bonustreak]

If the subject was discussed with more professionalism and less flame throwing the thread would be opened still. If you knew us half as much as you think you do then you would know that we are talking about a way to have a thread opened that is more controlled and monitored very closly, because as you see unlike GPWA this site is ran non profit, the mods and owner have their own business to take care of along with family so things don't happen supper fast plain and simple.

This is all I am going to say to you on this subject.

 

[Aussie-Dave]

If the subject was discussed with more professionalism and less flame throwing the thread would be opened still.

I don't wish to argue this point but with your passive agressive posts I'm left with little choice.

The professional way to handle flames and what not is to simply give a warning, then a infraction notice, then start giving ban periods. It is after all a vbulletin forum. Penailising people who have legitimate cause to be upset and angry is, IMHO, not cool.

We're supposed to be affiliates and in the same boat, but how the hell can anyone get any fairness or justice when threads get locked down when they start to step on people's toes....

If anyone should be called to count it should be CR/RA for not coming to their forum and responding...But like always that's overlooked, instead it people like me and others who are left with little to no validation and we get shut down. No that is totally unprofessional!

I find it disturbing infraction, bans etc etc are generally overlooked and instead the close button is pushed. Sorry if that's harsh but I'm just saying what I see.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

I don't wish to argue this point but with your passive agressive posts I'm left with little choice.

The professional way to handle flames and what not is to simply give a warning, then a infraction notice, then start giving ban periods. It is after all a vbulletin forum. Penailising people who have legitimate cause to be upset and angry is, IMHO, not cool.

We're supposed to be affiliates and in the same boat, but how the hell can anyone get any fairness or justice when threads get locked down when they start to step on people's toes....

If anyone should be called to count it should be CR/RA for not coming to their forum and responding...But like always that's overlooked, instead it people like me and others who are left with little to no validation and we get shut down. No that is totally unprofessional!

I find it disturbing infraction, bans etc etc are generally overlooked and instead the close button is pushed. Sorry if that's harsh but I'm just saying what I see.

I totally agree with everything Dave said above. I'm very disappointed in AGD and the stance that was taken here in closing the CR Issues Thread.

What exactly was the un-professionalism and at what point did it start? I think if one of you Mods or Andy can actually answer that question honestly and with the integrity that many of us still believe you to have, then we can get to the root of the cause that precipitated the closing of that thread.

Otherwise, is this the type of Stalinism that you guys really want to impede on the forum membership here?

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[Daera]

I would guess part of the problem was the complete lack of respect towards Andy. He said he was going to run tests of his own and asked if anyone wanted to participate. He also said,

For the remainder of this thread, I do not want any more accusations being thrown CR's way until these tests are completed.

It was like he never posted. No respect for Andy's request to stop the accusations until those tests were done.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

I would guess part of the problem was the complete lack of respect towards Andy. He said he was going to run tests of his own and asked if anyone wanted to participate. He also said,

For the remainder of this thread, I do not want any more accusations being thrown CR's way until these tests are completed.

It was like he never posted. No respect for Andy's request to stop the accusations until those tests were done.

Yea, you may be right Daera. It would be better if it were made a bit clearer though, especially since Andy stated in that same post...

"For the remainder of this thread, I do not want any more accusations being thrown CR's way until these tests are completed. It's not right, IMO. If you cant abide by that, then you will be banned from posting at AGD until the tests are complete. Yes, this is fair IMO."

I couldn't find anything that stated the thread itself would be closed and there were only 6 posters that posted after Andy made that statement in that thread...eliminate the 2 mods that posted and there are 4 posters left.

So what was the benchmark to close the thread? Andy stated 'banned' not 'closed'

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[bonustreak]

Look everyone I am not being passive aggressive trust me! The first thing I said this am was oh no we should not close the thread this is a very important topic, it has to be addressed and taken serious BUT at the same time it has to be done with fairness. IF you want a company to come negotiate something on a forum the first thing you do is not antagonize them and call them out for doing something that is simply just their jobs. The thread at GPWA went on forever with hardly anything coming from it why can't you just please let us figure a way to have this topic continue with rules put into place?

All of you know that was not like Andy to do he does not close threads that way, he was protecting Dom and Dave(Engineer) because after we said stop flaming guess what they were attacked! We are not going to stand and let decent people be attacked. Then I assume he had to get to his BM job so he can pay his bills, he has not been back online since so give he the respect and time to answer for the thread closing.

Rob I am shocked I thought you knew me way better then that!

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Look everyone I am not being passive aggressive trust me! The first thing I said this am was oh no we should not close the thread this is a very important topic, it has to be addressed and taken serious BUT at the same time it has to be done with fairness. IF you want a company to come negotiate something on a forum the first thing you do is not antagonize them and call them out for doing something that is simply just their jobs. The thread at GPWA went on forever with hardly anything coming from it why can't you just please let us figure a way to have this topic continue with rules put into place?

All of you know that was not like Andy to do he does not close threads that way, he was protecting Dom and Dave(Engineer) because after we said stop flaming guess what they were attacked! We are not going to stand and let decent people be attacked. Then I assume he had to get to his BM job so he can pay his bills, he has not been back online since so give he the respect and time to answer for the thread closing.

Rob I am shocked I thought you knew me way better than that!

Of course , that's why I said...

"I think if one of you Mods or Andy can actually answer that question honestly and with the integrity that many of us still believe you to have"

BUT, if as you say... "he was protecting Dom and Dave(Engineer) because after we said stop flaming guess what they were attacked!"

That's no legitimate reason to close the thread though, he should have just followed thru with what he stated he would do and ban the offender/offenders until the testing was complete... IMO of course.

I've been here posting and participating in the forum going on 3 yrs now and I cannot ever remember a thread being closed, and most certainly now is not the time to start down that path of closing threads.

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[bonustreak]

I've been here posting and participating in the forum going on 3 yrs now and I cannot ever remember a thread being closed, and most certainly now is not the time to start down that path of closing threads.

EXACTLY! It most probably means he was working off location today in the field with limited ie access, so he did not have time to deal. I am sure he could have explained more in detail but I trust Andy to be doing what he thinks is right, and I also know when he can he will address all of this when he has free time.

 

[lojo]

I trust that the matter is under investigation and the result will be one of the historic integrity of the Affiliate Guard Dog community no matter whose feathers it might ruffle.

Conflicting interests will tussle but this is an IS or ISN'T situation - agreements have been breached or not, and people have lost scads of potential profits or not.

I trust the truth will be aired here and the community will bring its pressure with one voice regardless of personal interests. As the market consolidates and funnels itself to the new paradigm we can expect more situations like this. How you, as business people, respond to them will determine you futures/

Even Picard is borg but he fights the good fight.

 

[Guard Dog]

ok guys, I am back to respond I am not always online because, as Bonustreak mentioned, I have a full-time job which requires me to be onsite at manufacturing facilities with little to no internet capabilities. My server is always running with my IM's on it - so I do not miss those, but I am not there to respond (sorry for those who also contacted me that way).

I did go against what I stated, yes. I closed the thread in lieu of banning members. Maybe that was wrong, it was a spur of the moment decision and not Stalin-like in any way (lol). The members here all know me well enough to know I don't simply shut down threads for no purpose. A new, more on topic, thread WILL be created. I do, however, want to complete testing. I have had NO, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA emails to:

[agdemail][/agdemail]

Offering help. Strange enough, huh? This is a difficult test to perform without help, of course. It is also one that requires multiple accounts, emails, and the almighty $$$. What I am saying is that people should help (un-biased folks, players especially). Maybe I will recruit from CM - Lojo, you may be of help here.

Anyway - sorry if folks feel that what I did was wrong. Everything done is in an effort to actually bring some sort of resolution to this issue - not hide from it. I think many of you see and understand that, but for those who dont... now you know.

Andy

 

[GFPC]

Hey Andy - Was going to attempt to post in the closed thread but found out it was axed for now.

I know you are looking for test accounts and various ways to test.

I would like to volunteer in any way shape or form in order to get to the bottom of this.

I probably set up a few test accounts ( I have some testers) if you feel this will be helpful.

I am working at a casino (on contract) for a month. But after that i am 100% available to help out.

I can do it sooner just need to organize since i work long hours.

I can toss in some cash of my own in order to help the community on this one and send some players.

But i just wanted to note - You asked for UNBIASED people.

Not sure if i am suitable to help - since i do believe in my heart CR is cross promoting for sure... (shaving or removing tags purposefully - I am not 100% certain so cannot really comment on that until i see proof with my own eyes).

If this is considered Biased no worries just thought i would at least offer my assistance for the general good.

Peace

 

[lojo]

Thanks for the candor, Andy. I'm pretty sure they geo-block USA so I might not be of any help here without VPN, and even then I won't create a faux account. As far as recruiting please PM me and I can scare up some troops but not from CM, I have been banned there for quite some time now.

Would a best practice approach be to publicly and directly ask Renee to not mince words and answer a couple of questions as posed by the complainant? I know there is a lot of money on the line here but your members will stand as one if the fog is lifted. Won't they?

I haven't played at a CR property for several years but I do still get their spam if you would like full headers forwarded.

As far as I know RA and CR are just a grave yard for failed MGS casinos, at least that was my first taste of them. My perception could be wrong and maybe Dave Webscaz can enlighten us as he is still connected with Ed and company.

I do know that CR was the first bunch to be No Can Do at CM and the trend seems to be in that direction with Gibraltar and all.

I think when your test is done it will show that cookies matter and that not all revenue is going where it should and this is something RA will need to address, with prejudice and compensation to those affected. I don't think Renee has misstated their position but I also believe the current practice is not proper. I will leave to their thinking as to make it fair. And I'll leave it to the community here to back their brothers and sisters.

 

[bonustreak]

I am on board to help test, I will use my forum and see about recruiting a few players that I know will not be biased. I will also supply them with money to play on. Do you have a certain tag your going to use that you can pass around to people?

Let me just say if our suspicions are all true there is no way the higher ups at CR had no idea what has been going on, I also think they would have a hard time coming up with massive amount of funds it would take to compensate everyone. I would be happy with the practice to end so I can start making the correct amount of money each month. I guesstimate with all the brands they have taken over I should be earning the higher end of 5 figures a month.

 

[lojo]

I am on board to help test, I will use my forum and see about recruiting a few players that I know will not be biased. I will also supply them with money to play on. Do you have a certain tag your going to use that you can pass around to people?

Let me just say if our suspicions are all true there is no way the higher ups at CR had no idea what has been going on, I also think they would have a hard time coming up with massive amount of funds it would take to compensate everyone. I would be happy with the practice to end so I can start making the correct amount of money each month. I guesstimate with all the brands they have taken over I should be earning the higher end of 5 figures a month.

I'm pretty sure I understood one of Renee's posts at GWPA to say that she was of the opinion that the practice exists and that it was fair, as best as they could make it. I beg to differ but I don't have a dog in this fight so I will be bowing out. I would like to see Aussie Dave or another affected affiliate post a bullet list of questions and see the spokesperson answer each in ten words or less - yeas or nays would be okay too.

Not to stir an already seething cauldron of stinkiness but if CR is really just a bone yard for MGS it would be interesting to know the agreement they have if, indeed, they aren't actually owned by the same interests. This is only pertinent if they have been scalping so you guys have a remedy.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

I'm gonna volunteer my boi, 'Target' here to help with this additional testing!

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[pdjoe]

lol Rob,

Let me know how I can help here, I can contribute to the fund and perhaps drag a player or two into the mix.

 

[inspiration]

guys and girls, now really ....... do you think you need to test for water drops (individual accounts) as the entire bucket (your players base) is leaking because of all the holes in it (CR sites+x promo emails)?





get the bigger picture pls : you ware wasting time and money!

you all know where the CR tracking leaks are.

another CR email example I got :

Here comes the big one, Playername !

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Just saying !!