PETITION

[Salfino]

hi girls.

i like to open a petition for "same rules".

Instant payIN = immediate payOUT

payIN withOUT sending personal documents..
= payOUT tooooo withOUT sending personal documents !!!

who like to sign the petition ?

 

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[DaftDog]

I won't sign. As an affiliate I would probably lose a lot of FTD's due to your recommendation.

 

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[TheGooner]

i like to open a petition for "same rules".
Instant payIN = immediate payOUT

payIN withOUT sending personal documents..
= payOUT tooooo withOUT sending personal documents !!!

who like to sign the petition ?

So where does the casino / sportsbook /poker room do the correct Know-Your-Customer (KYC) procedures in your instant IN-OUT system?
Never? That's not reasonable, responsible, or a real-world solution.

Gambling places need to make sure that under-18s are not playing - and documents are required to do so.

 

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[AussieDave]

payIN withOUT sending personal documents..
= payOUT tooooo withOUT sending personal documents !!!

While I get your mindset, it's not something that will happen. As TheGooner explained, there needs to be "Know-Your-Customer (KYC) procedures".

Point in question...
I play at BetAt, been a VIP there for a while now. I deposit via Neteller. However in April, Neteller was down and I made a couple of deposits via Visa. Now BOTH of those transactions were Visa Verified. These transaction have long since been honoured. However, I received an email requesting a copy of the front/back of my Visa. BetAT claim their processor needs this information.

Now you might be thinking, well if that's the case, why don't gambling venues conduct KYC procedures before accepting deposits?
Probably because it would be detrimental to business.

Your post does however bring up an interesting topic...

As an affiliate & gambler, I've always found it extremely frustrating, that I have to provide proof-of-id to each and every casino I join. Especially given I'm a Neteller VIP and have already provided more than enough ID to Neteller.

Over the years there has been talk about having a centeralised ID checking body. Essentially, provide your ID once, prove you are who you are and from that time onward you'll have, lets say and ID-Number. You'd provide that number to participating gambling venues, maybe along with answers to a few secret questions...

Unfortunately nothing has evolved from this.

Personally, I get a little edgy about sending my driver's license etc., etc. Identify-fraud is on the rise and I have no idea who has access to this data, how it's stored or is it deleted once verification is established.

As some industry food for thought... If every industry recognised Gambling Jurisdiction introduced a centralised ID-checking body, that would certainly cut-down the number of times gamblers would be sending out this sensitive data to individual gambling venues.

 

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[slotplayer]

I haven't played online in more than 4 years so I would not sign it. Actually I don't sign anything if possible and as general rule whenever I see someone locally with a clipboard in hand I try and avoid them.

 

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[NDG]

The online casinos should pay out quickly to their players, but immediate payouts would be a disaster. It would attract players that want to try and take advantage of the casino. The casino needs to be able to process the ID documents, check your game play for bonus abuse, etc.. before releasing the funds.

I do think that they should speed up the payout process for players that have already been verified and haven't shown any negative tendencies. If the online casino industry had a system that is similar to the credit industry, where players would get a rating based on verified docs, clean playing history, etc.. that could help speed up payments while minimizing the risk for the casinos.

 

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[Guard Dog]

Thread moved. No clue why it was ever in the Mr. Affiliate forum. If I missed something, please let me know.

 

[slotplayer]

I know I saw that to.

 

[AussieDave]

The online casinos should pay out quickly to their players, but immediate payouts would be a disaster.

When Ladbrokes was powered by MGS and before they stopped accepting casino players from Australia, they paid winnings to Neteller immediately. The only time these were manually vetoed is when I'd cash-out more than $1K. In which case, (eg a $7K win) was paid within 6 hours (24/7). From memory that was paid via a different Neteller merchant account.

 

[Shay]

I think the OP is suggesting that casinos will take money from anyone with a pulse (no identification required). But when someone cashes out, "suddenly" all kinds of paper work is due.

Or basically, if KYC doesn't apply on the deposit, why does it apply on the cashout?

Personally, I would be willing to agree that some programs need to "speed up" or streamline their process a bit in complying with KYC. But, to not require KYC on a cashout is obviously not going to happen and requiring all kinds of documentation on the way in would be disastrous. I don't think I'd finish the account opening process (as a player) if they were asking for all kinds of documents before I've played my first game with them.

 

[slotplayer]

They could use video to verify the player/id in seconds. Simply hold your id up, visa card up in front of the web cam.
Jackpot withdrawals at the land casino are verified by the floor tech to the control center that checks the video.

 

[AussieDave]

No clue why it was ever in the Mr. Affiliate forum. If I missed something, please let me know.

Taking a guess, the OP had an issue at Mr Green... Still this ain't a player forum. Hence, the thread was appropriately moved

 

[RyanWeb]

Even better several companies use your SSN with identifying questions (only you would know, based off your credit report) to verify you.. This was last done when I opened a vanguard account and it seemed to satisfy KYC laws, and was done within a minuet.

 

[AussieDave]

use your SSN

Only the USA have SSN...
However there are Country specific means to identify a player, without the need to send Docs. Techincally, by law here in AU, it's an offense to give out my driver's license (or passport) to anyone other than the police, ATO (Australian Tax Office), AU government Depts., and authorised finacial institutions (eg banks). Hence, I'm effectively breaking the law every time I send these ID docs.

 

[RyanWeb]

Only the USA have SSN...

True, but you must have some sort of credit profiling system similar to what we have?

However there are Country specific means to identify a player, without the need to send Docs.

Yes seems they could come up with a better standard, as sending docs to every casino is not very efficient anymore.. I even signed most of my mortgage online with a few clicks (via docusign).

Even something like how gravatar.com works..

 

[TheGooner]

True, but you must have some sort of credit profiling system similar to what we have?

SSN = Social Security Number? Is that like a tax number ?
Yes - other countries have credit organisations - but they are not a ubiquitous as the US - which really is the land of credit.

Additionally, I am surprised that quoting a SSN is enough for KYC rules usually the y need to sight a document ... given this sort of site http://www.theonegenerator.com/ssngenerator
But I guess all you were going to do was DEPOSIT money initially - so no risk to them ... and they'll want to actually see something when you withdraw ?

I could find local tax numbers quite easily - as they are used quite often in investments ...
I'm sure that the SSN is not secret in the US either.

 

[slotplayer]

SSN is used as a tax id # but it is really so you can pay via wages into the Social Security Program and claim that $$ when retiring.
Anyway its filled with IOU's. Other branches of the US Government borrow from it.

It used to be a 40 to 1 ratio. That is to say 40 employees paid in to it for every 1 retiree that received benefits. Now 3 pay in to it for every 1 that receives benefits. It's going broke. And that is when Bush Jr. was president. So its probably less than 3 now.

The employer pays 6.2% and the employee pays 6.2% of net income with a ceiling that changes every year or two, (currently the first $118.5k of net income is taxed). However US self-employed pay the full 12.4%.

 

[RyanWeb]

SSN = Social Security Number? Is that like a tax number ?
Yes - other countries have credit organisations - but they are not a ubiquitous as the US - which really is the land of credit.

Additionally, I am surprised that quoting a SSN is enough for KYC rules usually the y need to sight a document ... given this sort of site http://www.theonegenerator.com/ssngenerator
But I guess all you were going to do was DEPOSIT money initially - so no risk to them ... and they'll want to actually see something when you withdraw ?

I could find local tax numbers quite easily - as they are used quite often in investments ...
I'm sure that the SSN is not secret in the US either.

I'm not saying to quote a SSN.. The credit companies offer a questionnaire to verify you are the owner of the SSN..

For example you enter your name, address and SSN (all must match) then they ask identifying questions such as:

In 2012 you opened a car loan with X credit union, what was your monthly payment A, B or C..

They ask about 8 of those questions and you must answer each correctly, otherwise you must fax in more information.. Its all based off a stored credit profile.

 

[slotplayer]

yes, I got my credit reports online a while back and do remember those questions.