Star Games Affiliates - Predatory

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Star Games is Predatory for the following reasons (Yellow = Warning, Red = Predatory):

<br /><br /><div style="background-color:#FFC; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#FF0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2010-02-05 - Commissions - Negative Carryover</span></div>Further, if the amount due is negative in any particular month, then that negative amount will carry over and be deducted against the following month.
</div><br /><div style="background-color:#FFC; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#FF0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2010-02-05 - Commissions - Payment Date</span></div>All Affiliate Accruals generated through your chosen Payment Plan will be paid into your Affiliate Cashier Account within ten (10) days of the close of each calendar month for each preceding month.
We may impose reasonable restrictions on the frequency and amounts that can be cashed out of your Affiliate Cashier Account for administrative convenience and/or to protect the security of your account


Method of Payment. All payments to you will be due and payable in Euro or such other currency as we will determine, regardless of the currency any Players assigned to your Referrer may have played in. Payment will be made by any method as we in our sole discretion decide; however, we will use reasonable endeavours to accommodate your preferred payment method. Charges for payouts will be covered by you and deducted from your Affiliate Accruals. For the avoidance of doubt, we have no liability to pay any currency conversion charges or any charges associated with the transfer of monies to your Affiliate Cashier Account.
</div><br /><div style="background-color:#FFC; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#FF0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2010-02-05 - Commissions - Payment Date</span></div>All Affiliate Accruals generated through your chosen Payment Plan will be paid into your Affiliate Cashier Account within ten (10) days of the close of each calendar month for each preceding month.
We may impose reasonable restrictions on the frequency and amounts that can be cashed out of your Affiliate Cashier Account for administrative convenience and/or to protect the security of your account


Method of Payment. All payments to you will be due and payable in Euro or such other currency as we will determine, regardless of the currency any Players assigned to your Referrer may have played in. Payment will be made by any method as we in our sole discretion decide; however, we will use reasonable endeavours to accommodate your preferred payment method. Charges for payouts will be covered by you and deducted from your Affiliate Accruals. For the avoidance of doubt, we have no liability to pay any currency conversion charges or any charges associated with the transfer of monies to your Affiliate Cashier Account.
</div><br /><div style="background-color:#FAA; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#F00; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2010-02-05 - Strange Term</span></div>From time to time we may contact you with information regarding specific promotions, unless you contradict in writing, you will be deemed to have agreed to take part in such promotion and the terms of such promotion shall be incorporated into the applicable Payment Plan and part of our Agreement for the duration of such promotion.


We may elect not to accept your selected Payment Plan choice and we may convert any Payment Plan and any associated Referrers provided hereunder from a Percentage Payment Plan to a Per Sign-up Payment Plan or vice versa or to any other Payment Plan that we may operate from time to time, at any time, on notice to you.
</div><br /><div style="background-color:#FAA; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#F00; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2010-12-13 - Termination</span></div>Term and Termination. This Agreement will take effect upon your first registration and continue until terminated in accordance with the terms of this Agreement.
You may terminate this Agreement, with or without cause, immediately upon written notice to us that you may send by email marked "Termination Skill7affiliate" to partner@skill7affiliate.com. For the avoidance of doubt, termination of the Agreement will end your participation in the Affiliate System as a whole. You may not terminate any Site in isolation.
We may terminate this Agreement or without terminating this Agreement as a whole, any specific Referrers, without cause at any time, upon written notice to you that we may send by email to such email address you have provided to us or by fax to such fax number you may have provided to us. In the event we terminate the Agreement as a whole, we shall be entitled to automatically render any Referrers inoperative. For the avoidance of doubt, on termination of this Agreement you will no longer receive any Affiliate Accruals. If we terminate a specific Referrer, you will no longer receive any Affiliate Accruals through that Referrer; however, your remaining Referrer will not be affected.
Suspension By Us. In any circumstance where we are entitled to terminate this Agreement or terminate any specific Referrer, we may at our sole discretion and without prejudice to our further rights and remedies, suspend the Agreement or any specific Referrer. During the period of any suspension, we may withhold the payment of any Affiliate Accruals that relate to any affected Referrer. Payment of any withheld Affiliate Accruals will be made to you on the lifting of the suspension.
Automatic Termination By Us If Your Account Is Inactive. If your Affiliate Account is inactive, your Agreement and participation in the Affiliate System will automatically terminate. In this Section, "Inactive" means where (i) you have not generated sufficient Affiliate Accruals to trigger a payment into your Affiliate Account or you have not cashed out any funds (through a withdrawal) for one hundred eighty (180) days or more; or (ii) you have failed to respond to any verification mails sent to you within a reasonable time. Where automatic termination occurs, any funds remaining within your Affiliate Account will be forfeited and revert to us.
In the event of termination of this Agreement, all Affiliate Accruals generated through your chosen Payment Plan will be paid into your Affiliate Cashier Account within ten (10) days of the close of the last calendar month, however, you must withdraw all monies in your Affiliate Cashier Account within thirty (30) days of sending the above-mentioned email. If such monies have not been withdrawn by such time then they shall be deemed forfeited and shall revert to us.
</div><br /><br /><br /><div style="background-color:#6CF; padding-top: 5px; padding-bottom: 5px;border: solid #333 2px;"> Terms URL: http://www.stargamesaffiliate.com/affiliate/display.asp?page=pa_agb_en</div>
 

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I just added them to one of my sites too.

But I don't think NCO is relevant here. They have a very odd commission system and according to the rep - if I understood it right - its like "rake" in poker. You earn less but its raked play so you'll always be positive. At least, I think that's what he meant LOL.

Perhaps other SG affiliates can provide some clues/experiences?

By the way KK - go to their Book Of Ra game (freeplay or whatever) and see the way they have people at the slots. You can play or spectate. Thought it was well cool.
 

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I have been talking to the rep here personally for well over 8 months with nothing but promises to change certain alarming terms to no avail. I think if they are serious about doing business with affiliates they will get serious about changing/fixing a few of these alarming terms.

I want to push them more on my forum as well trust me but when I read these terms and the lack of communication about getting them changed I had to pull back on exposure.
 

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This is true, you earn on rake, I think its not possible to come in the negative.
Some days I even earn when withdrawals have been higher than deposits.
At first I did not like this system, but now I have to admit that it can do really well.



I just added them to one of my sites too.

But I don't think NCO is relevant here. They have a very odd commission system and according to the rep - if I understood it right - its like "rake" in poker. You earn less but its raked play so you'll always be positive. At least, I think that's what he meant LOL.

Perhaps other SG affiliates can provide some clues/experiences?

By the way KK - go to their Book Of Ra game (freeplay or whatever) and see the way they have people at the slots. You can play or spectate. Thought it was well cool.
 
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Update to terms

<div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Bingo Commissions - CPA</span></div> CPA Plan - Bingo:

1 to 10 new players per month - $25 CPA per player
11 to 50 new players per month - $50 CPA per player
51 to 100 new players per month - $75 CPA per player
Over 100 new Players per month - $100 CPA per player

*A new player is a player directed by you who makes a minimum initial deposit of $50.</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Bingo Commissions - Revshare</span></div>Revenue Share Plan - Bingo:

Up to $4,999 NGR Marketing Fee - 20% Revenue
From $5,000 to $7,999 NGR Marketing Fee - 25% Revenue
From $8,000 to $19,999 NGR Marketing Fee - 30% Revenue
$20,000 and up NGR Marketing Fee - 35% - Revenue</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Casino Commissions - CPA</span></div>CPA Plan - Casinos:

1 to 10 new players per month - $75 per player
11 to 30 new players per month - $100 CPA per player
31 to 40 new players per month - $125 CPA per player
41 to 50 new players per month - $150 CPA per player
51 to 60 new players per month - $175 CPA per player
61 to 70 new players per month - $200 CPA per player
71 to 90 new players per month - $225 CPA per player
91 new players and more per month - $250 CPA per player

*A "new player" is a player directed by you who makes a minimum initial deposit of $50.</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Casino Commissions - Revenue Share</span></div>Revenue Share Plan - Casino:

1 to 9 players per month - 25% Casino Net Revenue
10 to 49 players per month - 30% Casino Net Revenue
50 to 99 players per month - 35% Casino Net Revenue
100 to 499 players per month - 40% Casino Net Revenue
500 and up players per month - 45% Casino Net Revenue</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Casino Commissions - Sub-Affiliate (Tiered)</span></div>To reward you for your Sub-Affiliates and to incentivise you to obtain additional Sub-Affiliates, in addition to paying the Sub-Affiliate (as an affiliate of ours) the commissions set forth in this Agreement, we will also pay you an additional commission in respect of the payments made to the Sub-Affiliate, as set forth in the table below.

Levels in Relation to You *
1st Tier - 2.0% Commission
2nd Tier - 1.5% Commission
3rd Tier - 1.0% Commission</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Commissions - Minimum Payment</span></div>You will be paid on a monthly basis, provided the amount payable to you is not less than $250. If this minimum amount is not reached in a particular month, we will be entitled to withhold payment and carry the amount due to you to the next calendar month and so on, until the minimum amount is reached.</div><br /><div style="background-color:#FFC; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#FF0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Commissions - Negative Carryover</span></div>Negative Balance Carry-Over

A negative balance in your affiliate account with us is relevant only to the Casino Revenue Share payment plan, and means that the total of all bets generated on your Trackers is less than the total of all winnings plus bonuses generated on your Trackers (i.e., your Casino Net Revenue is negative).

WINNER has a negative carry-over policy, meaning that from the third month of this Agreement (after a two-month "grace period"), any negative balance in your affiliate account will be carried over to subsequent months and will be set-off against the payments due to you in the subsequent months, until the full negative balance is thus set-off.</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Fraud</span></div>No Fraud

We have zero tolerance for inappropriate conduct and Fraudulent activity. You will not engage in, allow, assist, promote, encourage or benefit from, directly or indirectly, any act or traffic that involves Fraud. You will act at all times to refrain from, immediately stop and not allow any act or traffic that involves Fraud or that you believe or should reasonably believe to potentially involve Fraud, or any act or traffic that we inform you is suspected by us, in our discretion, to involve or potentially involve Fraud.</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - iGaming Properties</span></div>hxxp://casino.winner.com/ - Playtech</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Marketing - Maintaining Links</span></div>Promotion and Link to Sites

By joining our WINNER Affiliate Program, you agree to market, promote and refer potential Players to the Sites, by creating and maintaining a unique link from your site to the Sites and by disseminating Promotional Mails received from us. This link may be established with one or more of our Banners and Text Links. You will be solely liable for the content and manner of your marketing and promotion activities. All such activities must be conducted at all times in a professional and lawful manner.</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Poker Commissions - CPA</span></div> CPA Plan - Poker:

1 to 10 new players per month - $70 CPA per player
11 to 20 new players per month - $80 CPA per player
21 to 30 new players per month - $95 CPA per player
31 to 40 new players per month - $120 CPA per player
41 to 50 new players per month - $135 CPA per player
51 new players and more per month - $150 CPA per player

*A "new player" is a player directed by you who makes a minimum initial deposit of $20.</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2009-10-29 - Poker Commissions - Revenue Share</span></div>Revenue Share Plan - Poker:

1 to 20 players per month - 20% Revenue
21 to 40 players per month - 25% Revenue
41 and up players per month - 30% Revenue</div><br /><div style="background-color:#9F9; margin-bottom:10px;border: solid #333 2px;"><div style="background-color:#0F0; font-weight:bold; "><span style="font-size:18;">Dated:2011-03-24 - Termination</span></div><h3>Term and Termination </h3><p>The term of this Agreement will begin with the Affiliate's first registration and continue until terminated in accordance with the terms of this Agreement. Termination is at will, for any reason, by either party. For purpose of notification of termination, delivery via email is considered a written and immediate form of notification. </p><ol><li>Termination by the Affiliate. The Affiliate may terminate the Agreement, with or without cause, immediately upon written notice to the Operator which notice shall be duly provided if the Affiliate sends an email marked "Termination StarGames Affiliate" to partners@stargamesaffiate.com. For the avoidance of doubt, termination of the Agreement will end the Affiliate's participation in the Affiliate Program as a whole. Immediately upon termination:
<ul><li>The Affiliate must remove the Operator's Marketing Material from his Websites and disable any links from the Affiliate's Websites to the Operator's Website(s). </li><li>All rights and licences given/ allowed to the Affiliate in virtue of this Agreement shall immediately terminate. </li><li>The Affiliate will return to the Operator any confidential information and all copies of it in the Affiliate's possession, custody and control and will cease any and all use of any trade names, trademarks, service marks, logos and other designations. </li><li>The Operator may leave open, redirect or deactivate any Tracker in the Operator's sole discretion without any obligation to pay the Affiliate for Players who subsequently become Real Money Players. </li><li>The Affiliate and the Operator will be released from all obligations and liabilities to each other occurring or arising after the date of such termination. Termination will not relieve the Affiliate from any liability arising from any breach of this Agreement, which occurred prior to termination.</li></ul></li><li>
Termination by the Operator. The Operator reserves the right to terminate this Agreement
<ul><li>If the Operator determines that the Affiliate's Website is unsuitable. Unsuitable sites may include those that; promote sexually explicit materials, are targeted towards children or minors, promote violence, promote discrimination based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation, promote illegal activities, are targeted towards citizens from Restricted Territories, or violate intellectual property rights. </li><li>In cases of fraud or suspected fraud pursuant to the terms set out in Clause 10.3.</li><li>In case of any breach by the Affiliate of the obligations (especially pursuant to Clause 4 and 7) and rules of these Terms and Conditions.</li></ul><p>In case of termination, the Commission shall be calculated until the date of termination. The Affiliate will be entitled only to those unpaid referral fees if any earned by the Affiliate on or prior to the date of termination. If the Affiliate fails to fulfill his obligations and responsibilities, the Operator will not pay the Affiliate the referral fees otherwise owing to the Affiliate on termination. The Operator may withhold the Affiliate's final payment for a reasonable time to ensure that the correct amount is paid. </p></div><br /><br /><br /><div style="background-color:#6CF; padding-top: 5px; padding-bottom: 5px;border: solid #333 2px;"> Terms URL: https://www.winneraffiliates.com/en/terms</div>
 
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Sorry everyone, I made a mistake. I'm not quite sure how it happened... my guess is that since it was a manual process... my copy/paste did not work and the Termination Clause came across as a duplicate.

Fact is - they removed the activity clause from the terms and conditions. So - this means their terms are actually friendly, although the team has to vote on them yet.
 

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Cpa deals are different as you have listed there. A "new player" is a player directed by you who makes a minimum initial deposit of 20 Euro. Same at the casino.
I am advertising only casino an they pay 50 Euro cpa for all new players with 20 Euro deposit.
 

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Hi,

just wanted to ask if any positive changes were made in their T&C? And also, dont you think that 25% of revenue share is little bit low for usual casino revenue share? Is it negotiable?

I am new in casino niche but it seems to me that most of them offer more that 25%
 

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I think this program needs to be re-reviewed.
I've had NO problems with them. In fact in reviewing their numbers, I'm going to give them more exposure after asking for an increase in our commission rate.

Super positives about this program:
  • They pay TWICE a month.
  • You do not have to invoice, ask or jump through any other hoops to get paid.
  • No problems paying US affiliates.
  • Stats: Last year, we only sent them 9 new players. They earned over 7,100Euro in commission
  • This year: I've only sent them 156 clicks. No new players, 558Euro
From what I can seem this program is all business and no games!!!
 

AussieDave

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I went to signup just now and the ONLY option is CPA... I wont be doing that!
 

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I went to signup just now and the ONLY option is CPA... I wont be doing that!
It's no loss, I assure you.
I promoted them for 5 years and made the grand total of $152.
I just dumped them last week, saying "they could pay me the $115 commission I've earned since Aug 2011 if they liked".
The response seems to imply that they wont be doing that as overall my players have won.
So what? They had no negative carry-over - so that's not my problem.

However, I think you might be looking at the wrong Star Games - as they do still offer Rev Share according to their website.
http://www.stargamesaffiliate.com/affiliate/display.asp?page=pa_faq

KK
 

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I'll agree the staff are not super communicative, but to me numbers rule my books, not personalities. Different programs work differently on different sites...

I posted my numbers up there and those are pretty positive numbers based on the low exposure. The fact they leave our players alone and keep paying on limited traffic without taking the players is one of the BIGGEST positives you can have in this industry. I'd rather work with them than someone who pays me a couple grand each month for more exposure and then up and disappears with my players one day.

Hopefully KK is right about the RevShare!!?
 

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Star Games Affiliates
INFO

  1. AGD Terms Certification:
    Terms Predatory
  2. Have Retroactively Changed T&C's?
    No
  3. Have Negative Carryover?
    Yes
  4. Are Casino Earnings Bundled?
    No
  5. Missing Admin Fee:
    No
  6. Ambiguous Termination Clause:
    No
  7. T&C updates not emailed:
    No

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