The Phantom Winners

[Casino-Matt]

I removed all ttr brands from my sites a while back but checked the affiliate system out of interest today.

2 clicks in last 2 weeks, 4 new sign ups yesterday, 4 new depositors yesterday, all winning 100 to 200 quid each.

Considering in 2,5 years my revenue hadn't triggered the 50 euro payment threshold with players either winning or earning 3 euro revenue every single time...

Is this finally proof they are corrupt?

 

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[AussieDave]

I promoted them for literally years.They had top home ad etc. However I only made $10K in 5 years. I gave up in the end.

Though, there were more than a few times with tracking issues with their flash games. And, other affiliates brought up onsite tracking issues, relating to links between their casinos, these were not being tagged.

From memory Mark claimed those links received less than 0.01% click ratio. But that's a moot point, coming from the program who benefits from those links not being dynamically tagged!

Apart from TTR MGS casinos, I'm seeing some veryt strange player activity on other MGS casinos I promote. In 17+ years, never seen so many players win back 2 back every month. Maybe 32Red et al are giving players large bonuses, which is allowing them to win. IDK. Either way, I'm cutting back on MGS casinos, cause I'm simply not making enough cash these days from them.

Stranger than fiction... My MGS player base has doubled in size, in the last 12 months, and practically 3x more in deposits.

Yet across MGS porfolio, I'm make 1/2 of what I use to, when I had 2x less players

Is this finally proof they are corrupt?

IMHO all MGS casinos are tettering on corrupt these days.

 

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[Casino-Matt]

I think there's a few things going on:

1) There are just way way way too many casinos opening up all the time - meaning the casinos having lower profits
2) Those listed on the stock exchange have the issues that every listed company has - the stock market is brutal and one of the main destroyers of the economy
3) The super affiliates are making way too big demands

All these factors mean the casino chains have to cut their costs somewhere and it is the players and the small affiliates that pay the price.

Just my 2p

 

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[AussieDave]

When Price Waterhouse Coopers were auditing MGS casinos, before eCOGRA got their hands on them, I believed MGS casino were fair. I believed that game RTP's were set-in-stone. These days, I think that's BS propaganda. 51% of Microgaming is owned by the Moshal's, who also own 75% of the stand alone MGS casinos. You can't tell me they don't manipulate data.

Lets not forget the double data bases, which Microgaming conviently forgot about in the Grand Prive saga. Later, Brightshare. I'm sure all MGS aff programs have a double data base... just sayin

 

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[Guard Dog]

100%, Dave. PWC audits were when I actually had confidence in MGS casinos as well. After they were removed, which was before the US-exit, I noticed the game play at least 'seemed' different. I would no longer win on Avalon (which was my favorite at the time) nor on Thunderstruck and ISIS - 2 of the others I played regularly. I stopped playing as a result. Ok - also as a result of the exit

 

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[AussieDave]

After they were removed, which was before the US-exit, I noticed the game play at least 'seemed' different. I would no longer win on Avalon (which was my favorite at the time) nor on Thunderstruck and ISIS - 2 of the others I played regularly.

Yes ISIS, Thunderstruck, Spring Break and Ladies Nite, were my favs. Later, Break Da Bank Again (BDBA) was high on that list. I have literally 100's of screen caps of wins on these slots. BIG wins.

These days, BDBA, along with the aforementioned, including Avalon, are tighter than a fish's butt hole.

I've played literally millions of spins on BDBA over the years, to know, that game has been tampered with.

Which I'm 99.999% sure so too have all MGS slots.

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Though, only a theory, based on a small sample, game RTP's are dynamic, depending on where the player is. EG - When I could play at 32Red, occasionally I experienced a routing issue, so I'd use a UK IP. Those times the games seemed to be a bit looser.

 

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[Casino-Matt]

I get that same fishy feeling with NetEnt slots at some casinos these days. A good example are slots that have the old interface at some casinos and the new interface at others

Old interface is much looser.

Back to TTR, an hour after my first post another new reg and depo landed without clicking (because there are no links to click). That is now 5 and of course this one is 171 up.

 

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[AussieDave]

I get that same fishy feeling with NetEnt slots at some casinos these days. A good example are slots that have the old interface at some casinos and the new interface at others

Old interface is much looser.

Gonzo's Quest at VS use to pay reasonable well, when it was the old version. Like any slot it had cold periods. When it was updated to HTML5 interface (early this year), that game went to hell in a handbag. I don't even bother playing it these days, it's really crappy. The same goes for other updated NetEnt slots too. Since the updated interface, they all pay like crap now.

@Casino-Matt: Was seeing similar occurances at BP. Told it's just players being lucky. Of course that means jack because even if BP were using Phantom players, they're not going to tell me. In the end, it was more than obvious simething wasn't Kosher, so I dropped them, and BS too. I dropped FA for similar reasons a few years back.

When I stated in this gig 17 years ago, I trusted everyone. Now, I trust no program. If you feel your getting shafted/shaved, then you probably are

 

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[Casino-Matt]

BP, FA and BS are?

 

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[AussieDave]

BP, FA and BS are?

Buffalo Partners, Fortune Affiliates, Brightshare

 

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[DaftDog]

One thing I have noticed about NetEnt slots is that when a new game is released the bonus features appear a lot more often than they do a few months down the road. I agree about Gonzo's Quest being an absolute waste of time since the upgrade. That's possibly why it is now used so often for free spin promotions.

 

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[AussieDave]

One thing I have noticed about NetEnt slots is that when a new game is released the bonus features appear a lot more often than they do a few months down the road.

That's so true!

Bonanza is a good example of that one. For the 1'st few month's that was giving out the bonus (GOLD letter and the 5+ symbol) heaps, and it often paid well too. I've read now where players a VS for example are going well over 2,000 spin before the bonus triggers, then ony getting 20x their bet or less.

I always try to keep an open mind, but in this thread, and the examples given, I can only see two possible scenarios at play, here.

1. The RTP is cranked up on all newly released slot - or
   
2. Certain games have been determined to be paying out too well, and subsequent been tampered with.

The later is of concern, because frankly it indicates that these slots are not being giving the correct pre-release audit (if they're audited at all), as ALL casino games should receive. If each game was receiving the proper audit, we wouldn't be seeing massive game payout swings, such as with Gonzo, Bonanza etc., etc.

NB - Hypothetically, more new slots added every week, those games pay-out high for a few months, while others are cranked back or worse, tampered with.

Monthly casino audits on slots, DO NOT audit each game. Instead they're ALL bundled together, to determine the overall (combined) RTP... Hence my hypotherical is very plausable, indeed!

A few years back now, a couple of members over at CasinoMeister mapped the reels for certain MGS slots. Since that data surfaced, I believe MGS commenced down the path of dynamic reels. Hence, they could be changed on the fly. I believe most, if not all MGS slots now operate with dynamic reels, as apposed to the old reel image files.

Back in 2015/16 was playing Break da Bank Again, just after either a flash update or the lobby update. Anyway, these were not reel images, but dynamically generated symbols. I only caught onto this because of the aforemention glitch. I even sent KK screen caps.

With regards to the MGS slots, well I'm pretty sure they've changed, removed some of the higher paying reel symbols for lower paying ones. The overall RTP wont change if, you ensure the lower paying awards, were spread out more frequently.

EG - I have $10 and I give that to Bob. Or that $10 is given to 5 people. Still only $10 given away

The longer I'm an affiliate/player, the more I wish, I didn't see or become privvy to.

 

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