Warning!: KTO Affiliates / FortuneLegends !

[KasinoKing]

I'm not here to be a Miles defender, but I do think some facts should be clarified.
First and most important, the sneaking in of the 25% admin fee happened just BEFORE Miles joined VS, and there is no reason to think he knew anything about this at the time.

He put a lot of pressure on the powers that be to improve the back-end to show all the stats - and to their credit I have to say VS now has probably the most transparent stats of any affy program. At least now NOTHING is hidden! (The Deposits/Withdrawals stats are still incorrect, but everything else is OK).

We don't know the terms of his employment - maybe he was obliged to stay for a certain amount of time?
We do know he relocated his family from SA to Malta on the basis of his VS job - something which has to be considered.
I also know he fought hard with the management to try to get a better deal for affiliates, but hit a brick wall every time.

Morally I agree he should not have stayed at VS for so long, but I think the above has to be factored in.
My opinion is that calling Miles a liar & cheat and accusing him of colluding with VS management to "rip-off" affiliates is false & unfounded.

KK

 

[Zuga]

Well put KK, I do hope we will find a way here to get some answers and at the same time hear the other side of the story. Its never black or white, and Im sure Miles is aware that VS reputation is something he has to deal with. It is what it is, ppl in this industry got burned too many times, so I understand the passion.

At the same time i understand why some Reps do not participate as they probably feel pinned against the wall. But we need transparency and we also need an open and civil dialogue.

So I also invite all our community, members and reps, to avoid any ad hominem attacks.

p.s.

We have also edited the title accordingly.

cheers
Zuga

 

[Moonlight Cat]

I also know he fought hard with the management to try to get a better deal for affiliates, but hit a brick wall every time.

Really? "he fought hard"? For me is very interesting what is "better deal for affiliates" from Miles point of view?

He wanted to increase aff.comission from 3% to 3,5% ? I don't know how he "fought hard with the management". Only what i see, how he fought with me, using multiple accounts.

We do know he relocated his family from SA to Malta on the basis of his VS job - something which has to be considered.

We affiliates don't have life difficulties? Yes we have it. But this is not the reason for cheat. Our problems is our problems.

 

[AussieDave]

My opinion is that calling Miles a liar & cheat and accusing him of colluding with VS management to "rip-off" affiliates is false & unfounded.

Reiterating, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and to voice those feelings. I respect that.

However, opinions aren't facts...Therefore we, or anyone else, can only gauge a person's credibility (integrity; trust; honesty; truthfulness) on their own factual actions - past & present.

Just this last week gone, Miles chose/decided to do the following:

Maddog and Trollhunter007 are now banned. We checked their IP addresses and we could confirm they all come from the same IP - the one Miles is using too.

If that doesn't demonstrate a sheer lack of integrity, void of professionalism and such, I don't know what does. No one who's Head of Affiliates; at any decent and above board program, would act in such an unprofessional manner.

@KasinoKing - what was that comment above about "liar" and "cheat"

These bogus member accounts, spurs memories back to the early days of WinnersOnline Forum, when Oliver Curren (rogue RTG operator) would sign up with multiple aliases, and attack Bryan (CM), and anyone else in his crew. Accounts closes by Max the forum Admin. (yes the same Max who runs the PAB at CM).

IMHO people like Miles should just stick with the TRUTH.

His past actions prove, his not smart-enough to lie. And instead, all he does is out-smart-himself, and gets caught up in his own wicked-web. This thread, and others exist ONLY due to Miles, and his decision to BS people.

Anyway, I'm out here... If some folks still want to disregard the facts, that's their prerogative. Just know, facts don't lie

Edit:

i understand why some Reps do not participate as they probably feel pinned against the wall.

I have a reputation that calls a 'spade a spade'. I hope your not implying that members should sugar-coat everything, even when the "fact/s" prove we've been lied to, and scammed.

Those who remember Lloyd Apter, and current days, Paul at Deckmedia, Martyn Beacon and others, these AM's are straight up 100% honest. No BS at all. What they tell you may not be great news, but least they tell you the "TRUTH".

People like these three gentleman, they've never given me reason to pull them across the doormat. Why? Reiterating, they don't BS people.

Point in question, take the AM from West Casino... I asked him questions about their T&C's (a legal binding document, which requires the truth). But instead, he danced around playing semantics, whilst refusing to be 100% transparent.

The term "100% transparent" is thrown around a LOT these days. BUT is that only valid for affiliates in relation to a programs T&C's...In most cases, it seems so. Because when the "boots" on the other foot (the affiliate program), a majority of AM's representing a program seem unable to just be honest, and straight up. Instead, we get pages and pages of threads, with 1/2 answered questions or worse, no answers at all.

This sheer lack of 100% transparency when an AM/program is involved, seems, it's an acceptable modus operandi...just sayin!

 

[bonustreak]

I agree with @KasinoKing we don't really know the whole story behind Miles job at VS. Miles has a colored past in the industry that is for sure but I think his recent actions are stemming from fear of the possibility of going back to SA with his family.

I have tried to see his side and have compassion but he makes that really hard to do with the creation of two accounts to post in this thread. Dishonesty is something I don't have the stomach for. I would have thought after 15 years he would have known better.

 

[Kadabra]

My opinion is in between KK and Aussie.

However, the thing that makes me lean towards Aussie and Moonlight is that despite knowing all that happened, and the way affiliate were screwed and annoyed, Miles jumps back to the forums as if nothing happened.

I mean seriously. Lower profile, do your job. quietly. and that will gain peoples trust back. Not going again with 15 posts in 2 days and for sure not the fake users BS.

 

[Shay]

My opinion is in between KK and Aussie.

However, the thing that makes me lean towards Aussie and Moonlight is that despite knowing all that happened, and the way affiliate were screwed and annoyed, Miles jumps back to the forums as if nothing happened.

I mean seriously. Lower profile, do your job. quietly. and that will gain peoples trust back. Not going again with 15 posts in 2 days and for sure not the fake users BS.

Alternatively, the way to solve the problem of the "elephant in the room" is to "name" the "elephant". A few examples...

If you enter a room and you owe someone money that you've not spoken to in a while, go to them, greet them, acknowledge you owe them, state your plan for repayment and then follow through after. Don't let it get potentially awkward by carrying about as if you're not in the red with them.

If you've wronged someone or allowed someone to be wronged, go to them, greet them, acknowledge the wronging (and their feelings), vow to make it right going forward, and then follow through afterward.

In both of the above, the awkwardness is removed from the equation. This is not necessarily the most comfortable approach short term, but long term it is for the best.

 

[Zuga]

I have a reputation that calls a 'spade a spade'. I hope your not implying that members should sugar-coat everything, even when the "fact/s" prove we've been lied to, and scammed.

Im not implying anything, Ive only asked our community to refrain from ad hominem attacks. We dont need to sugar coat nor attack one's persona to get our message across.

 

[Biti]

Maddog and Trollhunter007 are now banned. We checked their IP addresses and we could confirm they all come from the same IP - the one Miles is using too.

Lol...

The demasque of Miles Saacks. I'll consider him a joker some time already, but this I didn't expect of him.

About VS: Miles didn't make the rules, but defended them. With lies. Ali Atam had to save his ass here at this forum.

I'd agree with what some people say there. I will not work with Miles, no matter at what program he's working.

 

[Kongen81]

Really scammy to come with another usernames. No trust from me. We will not be working with Fortune Legends / KTO Because of this.

 

[Roulette Zeitung]

Maddog and Trollhunter007 are now banned. We checked their IP addresses and we could confirm they all come from the same IP - the one Miles is using too.

This is so weak. He also gave his own fake accounts thanks for posts. Look at that! How lunatic is this?

Now I know, why he also ignored the loss of my wife after years of my believe in him and supporting and defending him. Can you imagine my disappointment? Well, at this time I didn't have realized, what kind of human being he is in reality.

When I learned, that he behind my back tried to censor things from me, from me of all people, who has defended him so hard, I knew, he is a bad person and plays the nice guy role very well.

Unfortunately, he is also weak and incompetent, and fabricating accounts to put harm on a truth teller here, this is so disgusting, that in the real world such a guy would be fired by a serious company, immediately for such actions, but in this industry, there are almost no serious programs anymore, and so everyone with a keyboard and some glasses of wine in front of the monitor can do whatever she/he wants, without real consequences.

And if it is not working well, then the complete lists of webmasters with all their private data will be stolen and shared or sold on conferences or used as an argument to get a new job at the next program. Yes, a job not for competence but for having such a stolen list. All these job hoppers are doing it. After the list is burned, they steal again and move on to the next program. No one has the balls to tell the audience this truth.

It is undisputed, that EVERY, I repeat EVERY program in this industry is selling and sharing this illegal lists of private data from webmasters. A few years ago there have been some programs without doing this. Today EVERY program is doing it.

This is also illegal!

Miles has done shady things not only at Video Slots and prior programs. Now he did this also with his new job, and there is no one with a clear mind, who believes, this happened all the time by force of the upper management ... at all programs ... every time?

And even if this would be the case, how can such a shady behavior be excused with that?

For the players and the webmaster at the end it doesn't matter, how the money will be stolen or how - like in this case - on a level close to mental illness the reputation shall be destroyed with fabricated accounts - it doesn't matter if this is the result of the action from the boss of the program, the manager, an low level employee or the pool boy.

The money is gone.

There is no law that allows all of that! It's illegal.

Miles is like another "star" in this industry, who is also none. If you know enough about that people, who they really are, when the lights are off, then you would be surprised.

Perhaps some people have forgotten, that this industry is about money, not about working in a Kindergarten, and so competence, honesty and serious work are the only things that matters.

 

[Joonas]

I have only positive things to say about Miles as well as Videoslots. Representing Bojoko.com I can confidently say that Videoslots is not cheating with commissions and we have worked with them for many years, and still are with no issues.

There is no reason to attack Miles personally here, he's a good guy and has done his job well.

These being said. The effective revenue share that Videoslots has based on our data is, for example with 100% revenue share deal, would be 25% and this is well below average. I believe there have been audits done by fellow affiliates as well with similar results. This needs to be kept in mind when negotiating deals to work with. Hybrid, for example, is a good solution. The player value is very good with Videoslots players as the product is good.

 

[Moonlight Cat]

I have only positive things to say about Miles as well as Videoslots. Representing Bojoko.com I can confidently say that Videoslots is not cheating with commissions and we have worked with them for many years, and still are with no issues.

There is no reason to attack Miles personally here, he's a good guy and has done his job well.

These being said. The effective revenue share that Videoslots has based on our data is, for example with 100% revenue share deal, would be 25% and this is well below average. I believe there have been audits done by fellow affiliates as well with similar results. This needs to be kept in mind when negotiating deals to work with. Hybrid, for example, is a good solution. The player value is very good with Videoslots players as the product is good.

I have only positive things to say about Miles as well as Videoslots. Representing Bojoko.com I can confidently say that Videoslots is not cheating with commissions and we have worked with them for many years, and still are with no issues.

There is no reason to attack Miles personally here, he's a good guy and has done his job well.

These being said. The effective revenue share that Videoslots has based on our data is, for example with 100% revenue share deal, would be 25% and this is well below average. I believe there have been audits done by fellow affiliates as well with similar results. This needs to be kept in mind when negotiating deals to work with. Hybrid, for example, is a good solution. The player value is very good with Videoslots players as the product is good.

Yes, I am agree. Miles is absolutely holly person. The man who never cheated affiliates, and never ever created fake accounts on affiliates forums. He is the innocent victim.

The real problem is affiliates. Like "Moonlight cat" and other. These greedy bastards think that 3% is too low.

 

[Biti]

Miles simply lied. Someone using fake accounts to thank himself and attack others simply has also other problems. He doesn't seem to be a trustable guy.

But of course, I don't know if he has any influence on the policies of the program he's working now. Just like he didn't have at Videoslots.

 

[petjah]

I am working with Fortunelegends since the beginning and so far no problems. For people who have/had a problem with Miles, he has left the company since 27-12-2019.

 

[preditor]

I had Fortune Legends and their other brand up on some of my sites, generating a small stack of commissions that have never been paid out. Last year just some dimes, but this year a bit more, so ofcource urgent to get paid.

For the past 5 weeks i have asked specificy about january + february commissions, and every single time the response has been "we get into this today", "i´m on it right away", "checking it now".

If you are thinking of working with Fortune affiliates, dont.

 

[preditor]

So, now they have changed their name back to KTO affiliates.
Why one earth would a program change it´s name back and forward, year in year out and also have a shiny AGD link on it´s footer like "we are so good to our affiliates". Thouse pice of garbage yet still havent payd one single cent for non of thouse players i sent, not only to Legends but also their other brands.

 

[MissExposé]

@preditor Please let us know if you need our assistance.

 

[preditor]

@preditor Please let us know if you need our assistance.

Hi and thanks! I´ll send you an message shortly

 

[MissExposé]

Hi preditor,

We just heard back from the affiliates, please send the invoice to the affiliatepayments@mobilt.io email address so the affiliates can process your payment. The affiliates advised they never received the invoice for the payment, and as per their payment procedure, the invoice is needed.