Why can't I find any info on Energy partners?

[Joonas]

Hi Guys,

Thank you for your opinion. Just to clarify - we've never closed any active account that met our, very minimal requirements, which are: having a marketing source from where we receive at least 1 (one) CLICK per 6 months and the affiliate has to be reachable by us (in terms of site updates or basic communication). We do not agree with the AGD opinion regarding our terms being predatory as we believe that the points mentioned above are in line with the idea of an affiliate partnership.

We have transparent terms and conditions and many affiliates are happy to work with us for more than 6 years.

We are sorry that we can't meet the expectations of everyone but we are thankful to you all for your feedback. We think that we have done everything in our power to clarify the cases mentioned at the beginning of this thread.

Thank you,
EnergyPartners Team

Activity clause is a made-up clause that should not exist, so it is not relevant what the minimum requirement is.

The affiliate has successfully carried out the service that was promised: delivering a customer for the operator.

Any customers delivered or not delivered after this service was provided does not matter as the service is complete.

The operator must share the revenue from the customer with the affiliate. You would not have the customer was it not for the affiliate.

 

[Stan Solon NWM]

Hi Joonas,

I think that the main difference we have in our reasoning is that we believe that affiliation is a constant and ongoing partnership that requires both parties to interact as long as this is a revenue share deal as the affiliate with his marketing actions represents a brand over a period of time. When it comes to CPA or CPL deals then we can agree that your statement is valid as this is a one-time event, but then you are rewarded by a single time payment per player and further payments don't apply.

However, your comment in this thread doesn't really apply as this thread isn't about closing an account for our financial benefit as both of the affiliates in question refused to partner with us for a long period of time and they haven't suffered any loses.

If you would like to discuss further though, our policy and approach, we believe that requires a different thread.

Kind Regards,
EnergyPartners Team

 

[danniee]

The operator must share the revenue from the customer with the affiliate. You would not have the customer was it not for the affiliate.

This.

It's theft, however you wish the phrase it.

 

[Stan Solon NWM]

Gentlemen,

I can repeat what I've already written. Nothing in the terms or our behaviour is even close to theft, and these are very strong accusations.

All that happened was that the affiliates in question resigned from partnering with us, despite our managers best efforts in finding an agreement.

Thank you,
EnergyPartners Team

 

[danniee]

Gentlemen,

I can repeat what I've already written. Nothing in the terms or our behaviour is even close to theft, and these are very strong accusations.

All that happened was that the affiliates in question resigned from partnering with us, despite our managers best efforts in finding an agreement.

Thank you,
EnergyPartners Team

Well, we simply don't agree in this case. I choose to not work with you because I regard your policy as theft. Moment 22 I guess.

 

[Engineer]

Because the player, which I referred, will continue to earn the operator money while I won't get a single cent. Not cool.

Exactly. Anything less than lifetime residual income isn't a fair deal.

 

[Stan Solon NWM]

Exactly. Anything less than lifetime residual income isn't a fair deal.

We agree and we offer (as stated in our T&C's) lifetime revenue share, but the affiliates in question refused to work with us on the conditions offered. Meaning that they refused to publish our brand on their marketing source or to communicate with our representatives for more than 1 year (instead of the 2 months stated in the aforementioned T&C's).

Have a wonderful weekend,
EnergyPartners Team

 

[Joonas]

We agree and we offer (as stated in our T&C's) lifetime revenue share, but the affiliates in question refused to work with us on the conditions offered. Meaning that they refused to publish our brand on their marketing source or to communicate with our representatives for more than 1 year (instead of the 2 months stated in the aforementioned T&C's).

Have a wonderful weekend,
EnergyPartners Team

You do not offer lifetime revenue share. You offer revenue share on a certain level as long as your minimum activity requirements are met.

 

[danniee]

It's more like holding your hard work at ransom.

 

[Stan Solon NWM]

You do not offer lifetime revenue share. You offer revenue share on a certain level as long as your minimum activity requirements are met.

Dear Joonas,

Thanks for still replying to this thread as we always are happy to provide more info on our program. It is a lifetime revenue share as long as the partnership lasts - when our partner resigns from keeping our offer on his marketing platform we, I'm sure you'll agree, are no longer a partner to him, therefore the agreement has been ended on his side, not ours. We strongly believe, and we hope everyone does that both sides are engaged to respect clear and transparent terms. We can't agree with the type of activity that you are suggesting. We as an operator are expected to operate a business by default, at all times. The term "affiliate" and "affiliation" especially under a lifetime lasting Revenue Share agreement, includes already that there is some effort on the partner's side to help/work together with/the operator and EnergyPartners terms just clarify that.

We also think that we have a different understanding of the term "lifetime". We think it means that we guarantee an undisputed honouring of the agreement for a lifetime, as long as both parties honour the initial requirements which, by the way, are very easy. We think that you by saying "lifetime", mean "no obligations" - and this is something completely different.

While we understand your point of view, we believe that your opinion is not related to the cases mentioned in the thread and we strongly hope that in a result of this exchange of view you now can see that the points of our T&C's in question are actually coming from the very definition of the affiliate/affiliation term.

We think it is reasonable to honour a deal when both sides are engaged in working towards a goal.

Kind Regards,
EnergyPartners Team

 

[danniee]

Just for everyone to see. This is what it looks like when you refuse to agree to their predatory terms. They kick you out, lock your account and steal your players

https://imgur.com/wqbuJvP

 

[Joonas]

Just for everyone to see. This is what it looks like when you refuse to agree to their predatory terms. They kick you out, lock your account and steal your players

https://imgur.com/wqbuJvP

Sorry to hear and thanks for bringing their terms to everyone's attention!

 

[Biti]

Just for everyone to see. This is what it looks like when you refuse to agree to their predatory terms. They kick you out, lock your account and steal your players

https://imgur.com/wqbuJvP

And now we're waiting for a half-page bla bla story of Stan of how busy it is at his booth at LAC with people grabbing free energy drinks.

 

[danniee]

And now we're waiting for a half-page bla bla story of Stan of how busy it is at his booth at LAC with people grabbing free energy drinks.

Let's just say I added a couple of more affiliate managers to my blacklist