AffPower

[Zuga]

What I said has nothing to do with Israel as a country or Israeli people. It has to do with those companies that do shady biz. And there are/were quite few coming from there. Simple as that. You are the one who apparently has a problem with that and taking things to a level that has nothing to do with this topic. Why you took an offence at what I said is beyond me..

You call me blinded but yet this topic IS about pirated games and the discussion here is about that. And why you choose to ignore that is hypocritical.

And my players and visitors are putting the food on my table and not Casinos ( Israeli or not ). Same goes for every other affiliate.
Players come first, before any shady outfit whether they Israeli, CostaRican, Russian or what ever ( our latest report Russian Casinos Vulkan and Twist and their pirated Games ) .
Bottom line is we do not discriminate casinos or write our rogue reports based on their location .

 

[Trafficdirver]

@Zuga the name of the thread says "affpower" not "netent pirate games" so do not give me that BS
you have paid sections "casino of the year" casino of the month" "casino of the day" "casino of the minute" all paid positions even if the casino of your choice is not the best choice. true is that money comes first, all casinos are designed to make the players lose money, not win. they lose you earn, that is the way it works so don't give me that BS either

 

[Zuga]

heheh oh my.... the title is affpower yes. and the topic is about .... guess what? Thats right ! Pirated games.. whooa

Sure we have our awards and seals and none of those are paid for. We sure aint gonna give those to AffPower We do run a business yes and yes we do have our tenancy fee spots ( banner placements etc like any other affiliate) . Never was a secret. At the same time we have almost 300 Casino Reps on board and we take care of our players. In 9+ yrs we have managed to return more than $2million to the players who complained and got stiffed by casinos. So you ( affpower ) and I are not the same.

And just because casinos are designed to earn money ( ofc thats absolutely legit ) it does not give them the right to cheat the players, host pirated games etc. They already have the house edge on all the games, so there is no real reason to do any shady biz. Apparently you condone the fraud. Thats where you and I differ.

Anyways im done with this back and forth convo, you are obviously a shill for affpower.

 

[Guard Dog]

Yes... Titles and subjects can differ while still logically tied together. lol. The last posts amused me, sorry. The whole thread is 100% on topic. AffPower will likely not be 'redeemed' or 'apologized to' because even according to NetEnt (on Casinomeister URL above somewhere) - the games are pirated. Any 'company' that would do that (Isreali, Russian, US, UK, whatever) - are not fit to be promoted. But are fit to have a thread like this to notify affiliates NOT to promote them and threads like the one(s) at CasinoMeister to NOT play their games.

Enough said, IMO.

@Trafficdriver - No - you weren't banned. No - I didn't tell anyone to stop posting. All of that is simply not true.

 

[dfiocch]

What an headache...

@Trafficdirver

In few words and remaining in the title "pirated games": NetEnt's games that were offered by AffPower Group (Conan, Game Tech etc...) were legit/genuine or not?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

I want to know only this aspect. Once and for all.
Please, don't come back with a link to another casino portal... I have enough...

 

[Trafficdirver]

heheh oh my.... the title is affpower yes. and the topic is about .... guess what? Thats right ! Pirated games.. whooa

Sure we have our awards and seals and none of those are paid for. We sure aint gonna give those to AffPower We do run a business yes and yes we do have our tenancy fee spots ( banner placements etc like any other affiliate) . Never was a secret. At the same time we have almost 300 Casino Reps on board and we take care of our players. In 9+ yrs we have managed to return more than $2million to the players who complained and got stiffed by casinos. So you ( affpower ) and I are not the same.

And just because casinos are designed to earn money ( ofc thats absolutely legit ) it does not give them the right to cheat the players, host pirated games etc. They already have the house edge on all the games, so there is no real reason to do any shady biz. Apparently you condone the fraud. Thats where you and I differ.

Anyways im done with this back and forth convo, you are obviously a shill for affpower.

i do not really care who do you think i am. anyone not agreeing with you is a shill.
i do not condone fraud this is why i would suggest returning all your earnings from any of the casinos you blacklist. show your fair side returning all that "bad earned money"

Yes... Titles and subjects can differ while still logically tied together. lol. The last posts amused me, sorry. The whole thread is 100% on topic. AffPower will likely not be 'redeemed' or 'apologized to' because even according to NetEnt (on Casinomeister URL above somewhere) - the games are pirated. Any 'company' that would do that (Isreali, Russian, US, UK, whatever) - are not fit to be promoted. But are fit to have a thread like this to notify affiliates NOT to promote them and threads like the one(s) at CasinoMeister to NOT play their games.

Enough said, IMO.

@Trafficdriver - No - you weren't banned. No - I didn't tell anyone to stop posting. All of that is simply not true.

thanks for not banning me.

What an headache...

@Trafficdirver

In few words and remaining in the title "pirated games": Detent's games that were offered by AffPower Group (Conan, Game Tech etc...) were legit/genuine or not?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

I want to know only this aspect. Once and for all.
Please, don't come back with a link to another casino portal... I have enough...

you do not get to ask me closed questions mr. @dfiocch and as long as you think i am "a shill for affpower" will be very hard to understand each other.
which link to which casino portal are you speaking about? nonsense
i saw the fake games the same way you saw the fake games, all that i am saying is that i think there is more than this tiny bit of story you are discussing.
i will sit back and wait to see how this all ends. time to do more profitable things with my time.
peace

 

[AussieDave]

Not a peep out of CanaryJohn (aka John M)... I didn't hear the bell or see a clear touch but in steps TrafficDriver... must be round 2

 

[CanaryJohn]

Not a peep out of CanaryJohn (aka John M)... I didn't hear the bell or see a clear touch but in steps TrafficDriver... must be round 2

I'm still here and watching the thread however I was asked to no longer be a part of the discussion on this topic here (see guard dogs suggestion above). Obviously if we don't have the correct opinion on here we must be a shill.

 

[dfiocch]

@Trafficdirver

Oh... I think I missed something (maybe the wine...) . You called someone "conspiracy theorist" and now:

there is more than this tiny bit of story you are discussing

Interesting. Share your thoughts, please. BRB in two minutes, I will bring another cup of Palentino

 

[bonustreak]

*Munches On popcorn*

 

[dfiocch]

NOTE: not in thread but interesting, isn't it?

"Did you just get a pop-up from affiliates.affpower.com and ask yourself where it came from? Did the affiliates.affpower.com ad appear to have been initiated from a web site that under normal circumstances don't use advertising such as pop-up windows? Or did the affiliates.affpower.com pop up show up while you clicked a link on one of the big search engines, such as Google, Bing or Yahoo?"

http://www.sitealyzer.net/en/p/popup/remove-affiliates.affpower.com/

 

[Zuga]

"I am in direct contact with NetEnt, and they stated that these were not their servers. These games were being run by the casino without any licensing agreement. They were pirated, and that's a fact."

Bryan's words not mine. Andy, you should boot this Affpower Shill. No doubt he is also behind a lot of the hacking and negative seo directed at many of our sites as well.

Not that there was any doubt in my mind these were pirated games , but if anyone still claims otherwise after what Netent confirmed then.......roll eyes.....

 

[AussieDave]

• Working with Hackers
• Driveby infestations
• Stealing NetEnt Games

What's next? Doing an Affactive!

 

[dfiocch]

So, no responses...
Maybe we are not prepared to know such "big stories" as we are only "a bunch of people trying to drive (lol) traffic" on our sites...

 

[Trafficdirver]

@dfiocch what kind of response do you want? me telling you what do i think? waste of time, i will just wait to see what happens
@Zuga are you going to return all the money earned from affiliate programs blacklist on your site? this is bad earned money as you say

 

[dfiocch]

all that i am saying is that i think there is more than this tiny bit of story you are discussing

Share a thought is never a waster of time. It's one of the foundations of the freedom. And, I see some little discrepancies between the message above and the message below (anachronistic inclusion but related)...

i will also be opening users on other forums so conspiracy theorist can have some fun

Then:

affpower, netent, curacao, malta, none of them stated a single word about this. imo they are sorting things between them and most webmasters here will owe an apology to more than one organization. but we all know WE NEVER APOLOGIZE, we are always right and "they" have all done something bad enough.

Bold text. Just... why? Why some webmasters will owe apologies to some organizations?

There is a fact: Affpower pirated games. Period. You stated it too (or am I wrong?).
There is another fact: NetEnt stated that games are pirated. Period. Rest assured that not only Bryan had the same confirmations.

Curacao & Malta: for now, no words. Nothing to add. Here, we will see.

Based on the certified facts above, why someone should apologize in the future? Just why?

In my mind there is only one case in which "we should apologize (...)": all interested parties claim that there has been a giant misunderstanding and that those games were authorized, legit & genuine.
If this case will be in place... ehr... read above, 2nd fact... someone will lose a loooooot of credibility. Sci-fi, for me.

 

[Zuga]

I Know I said Im not going to be involved in discussion with this troll.

But since this person is having another stab at me and for the sake of transparency Im inclined to reply to this affpower troll hiding behind Traffidriver user name. Why would we pay back money to those programmes? It is not us who scammed them. We earned that money fair and square until the point when we got them blacklisted ( whether that was because there was too many complaints, non payments, pirated software and so forth, reasons are many ). We cant be held responsible for something that we did in good faith ( ie promoting XWY casino until they turned rogue ).

It is actually them who are suppose to pay back the money to all the players and affiliates that got cheated. it is not LCB who scammed anyone, we reported on those activities when we learned something fishy was going on. And eventually it is LCB's complaints team who helps those players get paid ( same as CM ,AG and others ).

Dirty money would be to continue to promote those who are proven cheaters.

This is my last response to this troll. As far as this topic I will continue to be involved if needed be and if there is something new to report.

 

[Shay]

My prediction is that the casinos will find a way to play victim. For example, they will say that they have a legal and binding contract with a third party (who goes between the actual games provider and the casinos) for providing games and that company is the one who fooled them. Left out of the conversation will be the fact that this third party is a separate legal entity owned by the same group who runs/owns the casino.

 

[AussieDave]

My prediction is that the casinos will find a way to play victim. For example, they will say that they have a legal and binding contract with a third party (who goes between the actual games provider and the casinos) for providing games and that company is the one who fooled them. Left out of the conversation will be the fact that this third party is a separate legal entity owned by the same group who runs/owns the casino.

Or they'll shut-up-shop and open again under another name... Not the 1'st time that's happened in our industry, hey!

 

[AussieDave]

Any 'company' that would do that (Isreali, Russian, US, UK, whatever) - are not fit to be promoted.

Exactly...

CM nails my Israeli point home...

that person stated that 85% of the online gaming business is in Israel - I think he meant to say that 85% of the rogue activity is coming out of Israel.