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[Igaming.pro]

GamblingGuru : when you sign up in an affiliate program, you don't have to wonder you if there is or not NCO. Because if there is not NCO, it's usually on banners on homepage or stated several times in "commission page".

And for sure, if there is not mention of NCO in commission page, i think you can be sure that negative report carries over.

Last, probably 90% of affiliates programs in gambling have NCO : Igaming.pro is not an exeption at all. Perhaps most of Rival casino didn't apply for NCO, i recongnize that i don't know and, really, i don't mind. If everybody were brune, tanned and high tall : world would be boring...

Concerning Kasinoking he has an answer from me : when the question is only "remove me my negative report" without any possibility to have a fair deal together, i deeply consider that i don't have to make any effort. What Kasinoking asked me was a favor : he refused to provide to me any elements in order to convince me to accept.

If effort has to be made, it will be only with my loyal affiliates or with affiliates abble to understand that i'm not here to make some gifts, i don't have to make such efforts only because an affiliate ask me to do this or to do that.

 

[KasinoKing]

Last, probably 90% of affiliates programs in gambling have NCO.
Perhaps most of Rival casino didn't apply for NCO

Where did you get that figure?
I reckon it much more like 5% max.
No other Rival casino that I am aware of has NCO - that's 30 casinos who don't have it for starters...

Concerning Kasinoking he has an answer from me : when the question is only "remove me my negative report" without any possibility to have a fair deal together, i deeply consider that i don't have to make any effort. What Kasinoking asked me was a favor : he refused to provide to me any elements in order to convince me to accept.

You asked me to put banners on my home pages to increase conversions for which I would earn nothing until the NCO was cleared - if ever.
I refused, but pointed out that Tradition was ALREADY very well positioned on all 5 of my websites, being 4th or 5th in my list of best Rival casinos.
Asking for more was unreasonable IMO.

Look, it is your prerogative to run you business how you like; the only reason I am pissed-off is that when I signed up with you your FAQs did not say you had NCO. If they had I would never have signed-up because NCO is a nightmare waiting to happen for smaller affiliates. As far as I am concerned you have "stolen" 59 players from me who I could have sent to a different Rival without NCO.

No-one else seems to care though - so that's the end of it.
No need to carry on this pointless debate.

KK

 

[Igaming.pro]

As far as I am concerned you have "stolen" 59 players from me who I could have sent to a different Rival without NCO.
KK

"Stolen"? How dare you writting such things? You should be ashamed to have such attitute. You brought us 59 players in 5 months, not 59 depositors!

 

[Guard Dog]

Actually, I do care about this thread.... been watching it carefully. What I have taken from this is:

1. The website said that there was No NCO.
2. KK signed up when he felt there was No NCO.

As a result he sent 59 players (no matter if they deposited or not) and feels that these players were sent in error.


If I promoted Tradition Casino at that time... I would be furious. I think many affiliates would as well.

iGaming Profits (funny how the name is close to IGaming.Pro) also had NCO originally... but soon found that with no affiliates promoting them, they had to change to No NCO.

That is your choice to have NCO or to not have it. But you should not be upset with KK because of your own error. I have a real problem with that.

 

[Igaming.pro]

Sorry but terms + our commission page never stated that there wasn't negative report : it's our contruactual pages! A FAQ page cannot considered as contractual. When each affiliate signed up, they agreed with these 2 pages :

=> igaming.pro/en/commission-affiliation/

=> igaming.pro/fr/termes-et-conditions/

More, in our T&C, you can exactly find :

"Before becoming an Affiliate, please be certain that you have read and understood this agreement in its entirety. Your use of this website and/or registration as an Affiliate constitutes your agreement to these terms and conditions. The terms and conditions on this page are updated periodically so be sure to refer back often to assure that you are familiar with all of the terms and conditions at all times; you the Affiliate will be bound by these changes."

Last, you can also find :

11.2 Please see the Commission Schedule which sets out the choice, selection, calculation and certain payment aspects of Commission, which Commission Schedule is specifically incorporated herein by reference.

 

[Guard Dog]

If you feel and act this way, then I have no problem not having you on my websites

Sorry, but misinformation on your website (even though.... as you point out... it is not contractual), is misinformation and leads people to signing up.

If you put No Negative Carryover in your FAQ... And did NOT have it mentioned anywhere else... (which is true)

Then NOBODY would have thought you have negative carryover. Give us a break. I'm glad you fixed the problem - but you are not taking responsibility for the mistake you DID make. And I am quite sure that I am not the only affiliate who is getting a 'bad taste' from the conversation here.

 

[lots0]

Nerver promoted these guys but from what I read here, I agree with KK.

 

[lots0]

A FAQ page cannot considered as contractual

I think you might want to talk to a good lawyer about that.

Where I live, if a business writes something and calls it a fact it better be a fact or just about anybody can sue your ass off over it... So it is legally binding, at least in some jurisdictions.

 

[bonustreak]

I was right when I said this program is being very shady! You went and took off the words -- NO CARRY OVER of your front main page when I confronted you after reading your terms. IMO all the affiliates that were signed up on your program before this day should not be effected with your negative carry over!! This is a predatory and retroactive move!! I am removing your links today because what your doing to KK is plain messed up dude!

 

[Dmoney644]

But Wait Bonus Streak! I think there is a nice $1 no deposit bonus waiting on all of our players! ;D

 

[KasinoKing]

Sorry but terms + our commission page never stated that there wasn't negative report : it's our contruactual pages! A FAQ page cannot considered as contractual. When each affiliate signed up, they agreed with these 2 pages :

=> igaming.pro/en/commission-affiliation/

=> igaming.pro/fr/termes-et-conditions/

More, in our T&C, you can exactly find :

"Before becoming an Affiliate, please be certain that you have read and understood this agreement in its entirety. Your use of this website and/or registration as an Affiliate constitutes your agreement to these terms and conditions. The terms and conditions on this page are updated periodically so be sure to refer back often to assure that you are familiar with all of the terms and conditions at all times; you the Affiliate will be bound by these changes."

Last, you can also find :

11.2 Please see the Commission Schedule which sets out the choice, selection, calculation and certain payment aspects of Commission, which Commission Schedule is specifically incorporated herein by reference.

Fine. I agree with all that.
But still I have asked 3 times now and still no answer;
Where in the conditions does it say you have negative carry over?

This is the entire content of quoted page www.igaming.pro/en/commission-affiliation/:

What is the point of setting up commission payable on net gaming levels rarely obtained by affiliates? What is the point but nurturing hope that the affiliate will never reach the level that would allow them to get 30% or 35% of commission and will stick to 20% or 25%.

The levels at Igaming.pro are easy to reach, as we want our affiliates to make real money! Our affiliation program suits inexperienced webmasters as well as advanced webmasters... There is no discrimination!

Igaming.pro is an affiliation program that guarantees that each affiliate will make money for our commission plan has been studied to favor promoters. Read this:

Affiliation commissions 25 up to 35 %:

Receive 25 to 35% of earnings based on the casino’s benefits and enjoy our formula. What if the players lose? You win money! As simple as that... Here are the various levels:

1st level: 25% of the casino’s net profits from 0.000 $/£/€ to 5,000 $/£/€
2nd level: 30% of the casino’s net profits from 5.001 $/£/€ to 10,000 $/£/€
3rd level : 35% of the casino’s net profits above 10,001 $/£/€
Commissions on sub-affiliation :

In order to motivate affiliates to recruit godchildren webmasters who will themselves recruit players, we decided to create a sub-affiliation system with two levels. Here is the scale of commissions you will perceive on your godchildren pays:

5% on the 1st third party
3% on the 2nd third party
NB : The second third party represents godchildren recruited by your own godchildren. Therefore you will earn commission on both levels, which is, let’s face it, very motivating.

Amazing ! Get 70 of the casinos net profits:

Bye Bye commission plans made you make you believe you can win money within the first month! Why offer an affiliate 50% commission within the first month when everyone knows one month is not enough? Imaging.pro understands its affiliates and would rather give them more time to make more cash. You get to be the boss twice a year, really! You are going to make more money than us!!! No need to pinch yourself, you’re not dreaming...

Every six months, affiliates of Igaming.pro will chose a period of time of 30 days within which they can ask for a 70% commission instead of the usual 25 to 35% commission. If an affiliate generates a net profit of 9.000 $/£/€ in July 2009, they will get a 30% commission; if an affiliate wishes July 2009 to be their 70% commission month, all they have to do is ask for it and they will get it! Affiliates decide what they wish to earn and they can at any time ask us for 70% commissions at the end of the month, even if the usual commission has already been earned. This offer is valid twice a year, every six months ;-)

WHERE DOES IT SAY NEGATIVE COMMISSIONS CARRY OVER?


This is the entire Commission section of the general T&Cs: (Igaming Affiliates - Terms and Conditions)

11. Commission
11.1 Restrictions
11.1.1 The Affiliate is restricted to one Affiliate account only;
11.1.2 The Affiliate shall not earn Commission on the Net Win of any Second- tier Affiliate if, in the case that the Affiliate is a juristic entity, the Second-tier Affiliate is the Affiliate's employee, director, shareholder or agent or, in the case that the Affiliate is a natural person, the Second- tier Affiliate is the Affiliate's employee, agent or immediate family member;
11.1.3 The Affiliate shall not earn Commission on the Net Win on the Affiliate's own Customer Account nor on the Customer Account/s of the Affiliate's employees or immediate family members.
11.1.4 If the Affiliate or the Affiliate's employees sign up as a Customer at one of Bonne Chance's Websites, Bonne Chance shall have the right to terminate this Agreement.
11.2 Please see the Commission Schedule which sets out the choice, selection, calculation and certain payment aspects of Commission, which Commission Schedule is specifically incorporated herein by reference.
11.3 Bonne Chance has and reserves the right to pass on any financial costs to the Affiliate's account that Bonne Chance may incur due to Fraudulent Activity by the Affiliate, the Affiliate's employees and/ or Customers/ players whom the Affiliate, as Affiliate, have introduced to Bonne Chance.
11.4 Bonne Chance will process the Commission earned by the Affiliate in the previous calendar month by the fifteenth working day of the following month. Bonne Chance shall not be liable to the Affiliate in any manner whatsoever for late payments due to technical, third party or any other unforeseen events or circumstances beyond its control.
11.5 Payment shall be made by Bonne Chance to the Affiliate by way of the method selected by the Affiliate on registration, but only in US Dollars.

WHERE DOES IT SAY NEGATIVE COMMISSIONS CARRY OVER?

Unless I am totally blind, it does not now, and never has said anywhere in your T&Cs that you have NCO.

Re-quoting your first sentence:

Sorry but terms + our commission page never stated that there wasn't negative report : it's our contruactual pages!

Yes, you're right it doesn't say you don't have NCO - but also it doesn't say you do.
As the other 30 Rival casinos all don't have NCO, don't you think it would be more reasonable for affiliates to assume you don't have it?
Not that they had to assume; the only place it was mentioned was in your FAQs - which said you didn't have NCO...

Personally I think it's time for you to admit you made a big mistake and at least apologize.

KK
(NOT holding my breath!)

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

I totally agree KK, like I have said here a few times previously, there was absolutely no mention whatsoever of any negative carry over when I signed up. I know because I always read every damn word of the affiliate agreement before I sign-up to the program!

It's all total bullshit my friend!
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[bb1webs]

Just making my presence/ position known.

I won't be promoting this bunch. Won't even consider until they make things right with KK and others who signed up having been shown misleading "non contractual" pages.

IGaming, does the boss know about your rigid attitude?

I'd be crapping if I owned the casino and saw this thread.

2 cents.

 

[TheGamblingGuru]

Just making my presence/ position known.

I won't be promoting this bunch. Won't even consider until they make things right with KK and others who signed up having been shown misleading "non contractual" pages.

IGaming, does the boss know about your rigid attitude?

I'd be crapping if I owned the casino and saw this thread.

2 cents.

She (the poster) is the boss and owner of Tradition.
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[KasinoKing]

She (the poster) is the boss and owner of Tradition.

Yes, that's my understanding too.
Quite worrying really!

KK

 

[KasinoKing]

Actually, I do care about this thread.... been watching it carefully. What I have taken from this is:

1. The website said that there was No NCO.
2. KK signed up when he felt there was No NCO.

As a result he sent 59 players (no matter if they deposited or not) and feels that these players were sent in error.

If I promoted Tradition Casino at that time... I would be furious. I think many affiliates would as well.

I think it has been 100% established that the NCO terms were changed & applied retroactively, and yet I don't see iGamingPro listed in the "Not Recommended" or "Rogue" sections here at AGD.
Yet I have seen other programs get tossed in there seemingly "at the drop of a hat" for lesser offenses IMHO.
I hope we're not seeing any double standards or favoritism here...

KK

 

[dominique]

Yet I have seen other programs get tossed in there seemingly "at the drop of a hat" for lesser offenses IMHO.
I hope we're not seeing any double standards or favoritism here...

KK

That is totally uncalled for.

The program is not approved , never has been, and is currently in queue for review, along with several others. Please be patient.

 

[bonustreak]

KK you are confused that is a fact! AGD has never played favoritism and each program is certified by a team and this process takes a bit longer since we have voting that goes on to make sure every program is treated fair! This is not like one person just says.. hmm I do not like these terms so they are predatory, it is a team!

Also please understand that we ALL have our regular duties and jobs and we volunteer our time here so things take a bit longer to get done! I myself have been gone all weekend attending my daughters graduation from the Navy so I have not been able to be around here.

 

[Guard Dog]

I think it has been 100% established that the NCO terms were changed & applied retroactively, and yet I don't see iGamingPro listed in the "Not Recommended" or "Rogue" sections here at AGD.
Yet I have seen other programs get tossed in there seemingly "at the drop of a hat" for lesser offenses IMHO.
I hope we're not seeing any double standards or favoritism here...

KK

Definitely no favoratism KK I set up AGD with a certification team to make sure that couldn't happen. I also made that team up of longterm, full-time affiliates with big opinions. hehe

BTW - we have never rogued anyone 'at the drop of a hat'. If you find one like that, here, please let me know and I'll give you the full scoop.

Andy

 

[dominique]

GamblingGuru : when you sign up in an affiliate program, you don't have to wonder you if there is or not NCO. Because if there is not NCO, it's usually on banners on homepage or stated several times in "commission page".

And for sure, if there is not mention of NCO in commission page, i think you can be sure that negative report carries over.

Last, probably 90% of affiliates programs in gambling have NCO : Igaming.pro is not an exeption at all.

Boy, since I try to avoid places with negative carryover like the plague (with only two exceptions), I must not be able to find any decent places to promote. <!--StartFragment -->

If you have negative carryover, you need to put this in your terms and NOT just your FAQ. FAQs are read when people have questions, they should not have any questions after reading terms.

The way it looks to me is that there was no mention of a negative carryover anywhere on the site when people signed up. Hence, their contract with you contains no negative carryover.