Videoslots Affiliates

[KasinoKing]

That seems to be a fact, given the fact they reply at CM forum and here not at all anymore.
Even Miles doesn't appear here anymore to dodge some issues.

It's not Miles who is posting at CM.
He doesn't post here any more because all he gets is grief over something he has 0% control over.
All he can say is "take it or leave it"... and he's probably got bored of repeating that phrase.
If I were in his shoes - I would do the same thing.

KK

 

[danniee]

Anyone not yet promoting Videoslots, don't bother. If we keep feeding these people they will see no reason to change and neither will other programs if they see Videoslots getting away with it. The best thing we can do is to make them feel the consequences of shafting and deceiving their partners. They're obviously making serious money going behind our backs like this and it's pissing me off to no end.

I know people who have been pretty much putting all their eggs in the Videoslot basket, promoting them for years, yet making nowhere near what would seem reasonable. If they do this crap, who knows what else they are doing. How can we be sure they are not detagging players? I don't trust them one bit after this and trying to put the lid on is so extremely unprofessional.

 

[danniee]

It's not Miles who is posting at CM.
He doesn't post here any more because all he gets is grief over something he has 0% control over.
All he can say is "take it or leave it"... and he's probably got bored of repeating that phrase.
If I were in his shoes - I would do the same thing.

KK

Or he could say - enough of this crap, I'm not going to be part of this thieving company anymore that screws over the people that struggle so hard to make a living out of this and that made Videoslots into what it is today.

He has absolutely no excuse to represent a program like that.

 

[casinonewbie]

How can we be sure they are not detagging players?

It's a fairly SAFE bet they have been detagging players - where there is smoke..... i guess you know the rest....

 

[Zuga]

It's not Miles who is posting at CM.
He doesn't post here any more because all he gets is grief over something he has 0% control over.
All he can say is "take it or leave it"... and he's probably got bored of repeating that phrase.
If I were in his shoes - I would do the same thing.

yes agreed Miles took most of the heat.
However he is the face of the company and he is representing the brand. So what did he expect would happen really?
If his hands are tied then he is not the right person to talk to, and he has really nothing to bring to the table.

And if Miles is not the right person to address the concerns to, then who is it?

Affiliates cant be blamed for directing questions at him.

IMHO if you cant do your job, and your job is to deal with affiliates, then what is the purpose of being a Rep for the brand?

We need to reopen a dialoge and We at AGD/LCB are more than happy to mediate and discuss things in private in order to find a solution that will be satisfactory to all parties.

The ball is in your court VS, do let us know who should we talk to instead of Miles.

 

[Thomas Andreas]

Out of curiosity, and to measure the impact on this discussion. I suggest that on the questionnaire you add an additional question.
1. Yes ; 2. No ; 3. Will try ; 4. Will drop them.

just a suggestion of course. hope no offense is taken

 

[Biti]

It's not Miles who is posting at CM.
He doesn't post here any more because all he gets is grief over something he has 0% control over.
All he can say is "take it or leave it"... and he's probably got bored of repeating that phrase.
If I were in his shoes - I would do the same thing.

KK

I have a different opinion about this.

Miles was dodging here the issue about fees and lack of transparency. In the end, it was Ali Atam who came up with answers here. Miles stopped posting at that point already.

Other experience with him is also that he's a nice guy to drink a beer with, but business-wise not even half of what he says is true or will be the case.

I really wonder what they have to do the whole day as it's nothing more than just keeping up appearances. Unless I get triple the amount of money I get elsewhere, I would look for a real job.

 

[gobo]

I have a different opinion about this.

Miles was dodging here the issue about fees and lack of transparency. In the end, it was Ali Atam who came up with answers here. Miles stopped posting at that point already.

Other experience with him is also that he's a nice guy to drink a beer with, but business-wise not even half of what he says is true or will be the case.

I really wonder what they have to do the whole day as it's nothing more than just keeping up appearances. Unless I get triple the amount of money I get elsewhere, I would look for a real job.

Agree. It was quite clear that Miles was the one who they sent talking to us. When he nestled himself into lies and stuff about the admin fees, they sent Ali Atam instead to clean up the mess but it was already too late. Miles probably just did as he was told though. After that they put the lid on, not wanting to have a dialogue anymore. Now their new line is just "take it or leave it" in a very arrogant way. They are still denying the admin fee though which to me is weird since we all know that they did not have it prior to 2016 (or whatever year it was).

 

[gobo]

The ball is in your court VS, do let us know who should we talk to instead of Miles.

Well, he is the head of affiliates so it should be him.

 

[Zuga]

Well, he is the head of affiliates so it should be him.

in an ideal world he would be the goto person, but sadly from everything seen here he has no say and is not a decision maker.

The dialogue must be with someone from the upper management or with the owners, as no one wants Miles or other AMs to keep singing the same broken tune ‘ my hands are tied’.

p.s.

Just to add that i have nothing personally against Miles, in fact i like the guy and we’ve shared food and drinks few times.

But this is business and certainly not ad hominem attack.

 

[Jack Lee]

This audit in this thread is not really fair. If you look at kasinokings report of his earnings you have another story. https://www.affiliateguarddog.com/c...ts-deposit-withdrawal-ratio.12632/#post-95063
You see that his 40% is actually 26% of net-deposits and not 4.93%.

You dont take into calculation that all weekend booster and other perks are wager free for players and when players re-gamble it the affiliate will earn money on the bonus funds without players making a single deposit!

Videoslots system is built on customer retention and not to earn a quick bux. That is why Videoslots continuously are saying their customer are loyal all the time. You will earn more money in the long run with Videoslots than probably any other program.

 

[Zuga]

Math doesnt lie, we made a deposit, took the bonus and we lost it all.
Based on the earnings made , its easy to calculate real % revenue for this test.

You are free to test other VS offers/bonuses/boosters etc and post your results.
We actually encourage all AGD members to post their own audits. The more data the better.

Our audit is mathematically true based on the specifications we used.
If you get dif results for dif promos used, then that would be a good question for VS to answer why is that.

VS is more than welcome* to dispute our findings and post exactly how they calculate % , whilst explaining in detail where all deductions go to ( if they claim admin fee etc we want to know what exactly constitues such fee for example )

 

[Jack Lee]

I didnt say it wasnt true. I said it wasnt fair to casino like Videoslots, using €10 deposit, clearly that is the case when comparing them KasinoKing's number, wouldnt you agree?

Their reward system is very different from others. Anyone working with the program should check their earnings divided by NETDEPOSITS (Deposits - Withdrawals) to get out the correct % they make on gross.

 

[Zuga]

so the math is unfair? right got ya

 

[Jack Lee]

That math is not unfair, the audit is unfair to get full understanding of the value of the program.
Clearly the numbers in this audit dont match the numbers from what kasinoking is showing in his numbers.
Here its 4.93% after €10 deposit and he has 26% being an affiliate for Videoslots since 2014.

 

[Biti]

The audit is not meant to get a full understanding of the value of a program. The audit is meant to see how much costs are deducted in reality.

Unfortunately, this kind of audits is necessary, because programs are not clear about the costs they're deducting. And in some cases, these costs are insane, like in this Videoslots example.

That I will earn more in the long run with VS is an opinion and more than likely not true for most affiliates.

And the best for the players? Let's not forget they've tried in the past to confiscate winnings by retroactively applying t&C. AussieDave wrote about that too.

My image of them is that they have poor business ethics.

 

[JuegosPalacio]

Yeah, I read the same in other forum. They are doing very shitty things with some affiliates. Heard the same about Betway which I used to consider a good operator. Thanks for publishing this! This is definetely the kind of staff which is beyond all effort to keep going with some "good" brands.

 

[KasinoKing]

This audit in this thread is not really fair. If you look at kasinokings report of his earnings you have another story. https://www.affiliateguarddog.com/c...ts-deposit-withdrawal-ratio.12632/#post-95063
You see that his 40% is actually 26% of net-deposits and not 4.93%.

I have replied in the other thread as to how you have arrived at an incorrect conclusion.
I can see why you thought I earned 26% of net deposits, but in fact their reporting has a major error in it.

My earnings were 9.54% of GGR.

KK

 

[KasinoKing]

You dont take into calculation that all weekend booster and other perks are wager free for players and when players re-gamble it the affiliate will earn money on the bonus funds without players making a single deposit!

Videoslots system is built on customer retention and not to earn a quick bux. That is why Videoslots continuously are saying their customer are loyal all the time. You will earn more money in the long run with Videoslots than probably any other program.

Your first paragraph is nearly correct - Videoslots are VERY generous to their players, which is one of the main reasons they are so popular. I play there regularly myself!
BUT... they don't get the weekend booster and other perks unless they HAVE make a deposit.

Your second paragraph is correct... BUT! Yes you could earn a lot with them, because you will likely attract a LOT of players who will mostly be loyal.
BUT... your earnings as a direct % of net deposits is very unlikely to come close to most other operators.

KK

 

[casinonewbie]

My image of them is that they have poor business ethics.

Well the UKGC had the same thoughts https://lcb.org/news/ukgc-imposes-6-8m-fine-on-casumo-and-videoslots

I suppose the 1 million in fines won’t hurt them that much considering affiliates will be paying for most it. (well not this one).

The UKGC should look at who is actually paying this fine. The money should come out of the owners pocket otherwise the penalty ain't worth jack shit.