Wagershare - Becareful of these rogues!

[LandofOz]

After promoting the wagershare group for many years on numerous sites with 1000s of links, I received an email that my payment will be withheld because I didn't send them any new depositors in the last 3 months. I have taken a snapshot of my stats report and am attaching it to this post. The snapshot shows my stats between 1 January 2012 - 14 February 2013. During this time, I've sent them 14,407 visits, 408 downloads, 34 new open accounts, 5 new active purchasing accounts and 27 active accounts. But according to them, this is not good enough. And why is it my fault if they can't convert their own players? My conclusion is this: They are either (A) THIEVES and are possibly not displaying the real statistical reports as an excuse to steal the affiliates' income or (B) too INCOMPETENT to convert the players sent to them. Either way, I refuse to promote affiliate programs that are either DISHONEST or STUPID. Time to start deleting their links.

 

[mgbonus]

Thanks.
We did PAB.

We never heard back regarding our Pitch-a-Bitch at Casinomeister either.

 

[CygX1]

Thank you for the heads up, LandofOz. Your post is as another warning that Wagershare can not be trusted anymore.

Apparently the great success of their casino brands over the past decade turned this company into a beast.

 

[KasinoKing]

So play their game and ask a friend to sign up using your link. Then drop them once they pay you what they owe.

The problem with doing that, is what about your future earnings after you have dumped them?
This is the exact problem I have with them now; I have not been paid for the last 4 months due to no new depositors, but I do have regular (small) monthly earnings with them.

I just put their casinos back on my site to try for a new depositor, because the alternative could be to never get what I am owed, or any future earnings from the players I've sent them for the previous 6 years. But I'm pretty unhappy about having to do this.

I think this is what's called being between a rock and a hard place!

Because of this (and their virulent spamming) I agree they should definitely be on the rogue list here to hopefully prevent any new affiliates signing up with them.
WagerShare are just like Hotel California - you can check-out anytime you like, but you can never leave...

We never heard back regarding our Pitch-a-Bitch at Casinomeister either.

When did you submit it?
Don't forget Max & CM were in London all last week.
Chase Max up - it definitely wont be forgotten!

 

[Webzcas]

We never heard back regarding our Pitch-a-Bitch at Casinomeister either.

I've drawn Max and Bryan's attention to this thread. Will also speak to Bryan about this today.

 

[Webzcas]

From reading just this thread and speaking also to other webmasters, it would seem on the surface that Wagershare are 'cherry picking' those affiliates not to 'shaft'.

 

[mgbonus]

When did you submit it?
Don't forget Max & CM were in London all last week.
Chase Max up - it definitely wont be forgotten!

Around 28th January.
Not expecting much from it though.

 

[maxd]

We never heard back regarding our Pitch-a-Bitch at Casinomeister ....

Hi, your PAB was received on the 24th and I logged it in the next day from which you should have received a confirmation email. As yet they have not responded. As you'll know from reading our PAB FAQ -- you did read it, yes? -- you'll know that I get back to PABers when I have something to report. If you had emailed or PM'd me I would have happily told you this.

 

[inspiration]

From reading just this thread and speaking also to other webmasters, it would seem on the surface that Wagershare are 'cherry picking' those affiliates not to 'shaft'.

I have been an affiliate with them for a few years now and always have been paid.

If you do not send them new players they won't pay you until you start sending some RMP, it is part of the biz we/they are in - dormant affiliate accounts just cost them more then active affiliates from a business point of view.

Although I agree this is not acceptable but it is doable.

Money has to be made by the programs as the competition is murdering, Wagershare has to make a choice to keep things going and with :
1. no bundling
2. no negative carry over

I find this less a deal breaker.

On the other hand the money owed is still in your account and nothing is lost!


Other programs like Rewards Affiliates blatantly lie to you and steal your players through cross promotion with no credit for you the affiliate.

Why not P&B those thieves ?

 

[mgbonus]

Hi, your PAB was received on the 24th and I logged it in the next day from which you should have received a confirmation email. As yet they have not responded. As you'll know from reading our PAB FAQ -- you did read it, yes? -- you'll know that I get back to PABers when I have something to report. If you had emailed or PM'd me I would have happily told you this.

Thanks.
I guess we'll hear back some time soon then.

 

[CygX1]

@ inspiration: Wagershare advertised lifetime earnings for many years, which was untruthful. There would not be so many complaints about Wagershare by countless affiliates if they were a straight forward and caring program. Their actions are immoral.

Rewards is of course great bogus but you will always find program that treats you even worse. When it comes to cheating customers and affiliates even Rewards can be topped by shoddy Top Game or RTG outfits.

 

[LandofOz]

I have been an affiliate with them for a few years now and always have been paid.

If you do not send them new players they won't pay you until you start sending some RMP, it is part of the biz we/they are in - dormant affiliate accounts just cost them more then active affiliates from a business point of view.

Although I agree this is not acceptable but it is doable.

Money has to be made by the programs as the competition is murdering, Wagershare has to make a choice to keep things going and with :
1. no bundling
2. no negative carry over

I find this less a deal breaker.

On the other hand the money owed is still in your account and nothing is lost!


Other programs like Rewards Affiliates blatantly lie to you and steal your players through cross promotion with no credit for you the affiliate.

Why not P&B those thieves ?

I've posted this reply over at CAP.

I'm not a fan of untagged cross promotions, BUT If I send Rewards Affiliates a depositing player to a particular casino, then I know that I will be paid my commission. If I send the player to the best casino and promotional offer available, then it is unlikely that the player will be tempted to play at a different casino via untagged cross promotions. The bottom line is that if I send Rewards Affiliates a player to Blackjack Ballroom casino, and that player deposits and plays at Blackjack Ballroom casino, then I know that I WILL be paid for that player.

WagerShame on the other hand want to punish and penalize affiliates over something that they have absolutely no control over. I can send them visitors, but I can't make them deposit. This is not something that is under my control. I'm paying hosting fees, advertising fees, content creation fees etc etc etc and I expect to be paid for the players that I have already sent them through my link. If this affiliate program has a problem with it's banking processor, then it will penalize the affiliates because of the banking problem that it's having. If the affiliate is ill and unable to work for a few weeks or months, then the program will penalize the affiliate again. And why are they holding back the commissions that have already been earned by the affiliates? How is that ethical? This is just plain and simple theft.

 

[Vladi]

So play their game and ask a friend to sign up using your link. Then drop them once they pay you what they owe.

The problem with doing that, is what about your future earnings after you have dumped them?
This is the exact problem I have with them now; I have not been paid for the last 4 months due to no new depositors, but I do have regular (small) monthly earnings with them.

Do it again in three months time if you have commissions that they are holding hostage. If they are going to be scumbags about it then I don't see the problem in doing what needs to be done to work within the BS system they have created.

If you do not send them new players they won't pay you until you start sending some RMP, it is part of the biz we/they are in - dormant affiliate accounts just cost them more then active affiliates from a business point of view.

I strongly disagree with this point. Dormant affiliate accounts cost them absolutely nothing. They sit in a database and don't incur costs such as management, tracking or banner serving for example. Of course I know that you are trying to say that the affiliate commission is a cost to them but it is not because it is a percentage of a profit that they would not otherwise have had were it not for the affiliate in the first place. Wagershare (and many other programs) might see affiliate income as "their money" but in reality it never is and never was. If they offer to pay lifetime commissions then they should honour that offer. Anything else is unethical and greedy.

 

[Guard Dog]

That whole quote: 'dormant affiliate accounts cost them more...' is something they have tried to impress upon everyone for years, just looks like some actually buy it (I don't know why... inspiration, u are way smarter than to believe that bunk)

Vladi is exactly right... they sit in a database. The way Wagershare locks accounts, I wouldn't be surprised if they *force* the issue of 'no players in 3 months' via these locked accounts and then stop payment on your accounts. I think it is all a sham to keep your money.

There are simply too many people with too many stories. To get behind these people only helps shaft your fellow affiliates, IMO.

 

[Webzcas]

Finally got a page up regarding WagerShare whilst revamping my oldest site. Anyone else got a WagerShare warning page up, let me know and I'll link to it.

WagerShare - Blacklisted Casino Affiliate Program

 

[inspiration]

That whole quote: 'dormant affiliate accounts cost them more...' is something they have tried to impress upon everyone for years, just looks like some actually buy it (I don't know why... inspiration, u are way smarter than to believe that bunk)

Vladi is exactly right... they sit in a database. The way Wagershare locks accounts, I wouldn't be surprised if they *force* the issue of 'no players in 3 months' via these locked accounts and then stop payment on your accounts. I think it is all a sham to keep your money.

There are simply too many people with too many stories. To get behind these people only helps shaft your fellow affiliates, IMO.

In essence this ofcourse is all very true, but I have not seen 1 audit on Wagershare with visible proof in which they failed to track deposits, falsly reported locked accounts etc.

Facts :

- If you do not bring a new depositor every 3 months your commission will be frozen but not wiped out, full payment will be made if you comply.
- If you earn money with them the idea is you can send them a new depositor within 3 months.
- T&C's have not been changed retroactively - http://web.archive.org/web/20040429072131/http://www.wagershare.com/terms.asp

If a 3 month time frame is too big a problem maybe request them to make it 6 months ?

When comparing other (Microgaming) brands Wagershare does not conduct the following deductions :

- negative carry over
- bundling
- cross marketing players with non tracking affiliate links e.g. CasinoRewards/Rewardsaffiliates

I maybe an idiot but in the end the latter three deductions will cost you a whole lot more.

 

[FictionNet]

Most of my Wagershare revenue for February was wiped out, again, due to the infamous locked account. I always expect decent Wagershare players to become locked and they always do become locked. I ignore Wagershare revenue in my stats because I know I won't be receiving most of it. They remind me now of the very old Windows Casino back in the day, where nearly all money in your stats would vanish due to 'chargebacks'.

 

[Guard Dog]

But, of course, Fiction... all of that is inconsequential to those who refuse to 'see the forest for the trees'

Note how many very highly regarded affiliates say this exact thing. Crazy. I'm just glad I stopped promoting them many years ago.

 

[inspiration]

FictionNet
Most of my Wagershare revenue for February was wiped out, again, due to the infamous locked account. I always expect decent Wagershare players to become locked and they always do become locked. I ignore Wagershare revenue in my stats because I know I won't be receiving most of it. They remind me now of the very old Windows Casino back in the day, where nearly all money in your stats would vanish due to 'chargebacks'.

the deferred earnings for locked accounts will be paid after 6 months, I hate it too but you will get it.

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Guard Dog
But, of course, Fiction... all of that is inconsequential to those who refuse to 'see the forest for the trees'

Note how many very highly regarded affiliates say this exact thing. Crazy. I'm just glad I stopped promoting them many years ago.

trusting all these similar stories the general assumption can not be anything else than true is good, but control is better

in other words do a test if you want to have the actual proof and post the hard evidence here, and many that have doubts will not give them a second chance.

the proof of the pudding is in the eating !

 

[pdjoe]

I won't work with any program that makes me wait 6 months for earnings. How is an affiliate to pay the household bills?

Then after 6 month they will use the excuse that you don't send them enough new players. Just a waste of time for most affiliates.

In the end we all use programs that work best for us and for me, Wagershare is not on that list.