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[Aussie-Dave]

If I remember correctly the majority of the affiliates 'settled' with Grand Prive when we were alerted about the closure.

It was a small number of us that somehow got missed and then screwed over in the audit so there may not be many more 'victims' at this point.

I was under the distinct belief 100's if not 1000's of affiliates were screwed over by GP. It was the picture painted in countless forum threads. Or was this just a grandstand ploy to grab more attention!

Saying now the "majority" were paid, makes me go ???

Though it does join the dots, when one considers the number of people jumping up and down (in threads - screaming blue murder) compared to the actual number of claims submitted to eCOGRA.

I recall CM making comment to the low number of claims submitted.

Dom got them to admit that what we had been saying all along about the legacy players was infact true meaning that it was more than a few folks just crying sour grapes on the forums, but had a legitimate complaint! ;D

What is the story...Are 100's or 1000's of affiliates still owed earnings & or earnings on legacy players?

What needs to be fixed is affiliates like myself that promoted GP for 7yrs or so, sent them hundreds of players and was offered a settlement of 7 bucks! That is flawed accounting/auditing

You were also offered $7 I believe GamTrak and you told them to stick it. Rightly so - I would have too. However, given the legacy player disputes does anyone have a ball park figure on what GP rightfully owes them?


Cheers



Dave

 

[Daera]

I'm sure I'm wrong about this number. But for some reason I thought I remember reading that there were only like 50-60 claims.

Do most of you keep records of your individual earnings from each program month-to-month? I have for years. So although we can't know for sure what they would owe us.... I do know what I was making each month with them up until they kicked us out to the curb.

 

[Daera]

I'm with Robin, I believe that all the affs that wanted to get paid got some money, not all they were owed, but enough that everyone I know has closed the book on any monies owed from GP.

I would love to hear from ANYONE that is still trying to collect affiliate monies from Grand Privy. Anyone? Really anyone at all....

So I guess I have a hard time, understanding why anyone would need "stand up" for these (non-existant?)affiliates with a face to face meeting with GP...

I don't think Robin said that all the affs that wanted to get paid got some money. I think the only people that got some money were affs. that were earning from players they acquired from the new aff. program. I also feel that the old Legacy players from Referspot were not accounted for at all.

Most of my players were Legacy/Referspot players, and not from the new program. I did file a claim. But when they audited my account eCOGRA wouldn't have found much activity at all from the new program for me. My money came from the old program. I consistently earned a decent amount from them, month after month, all the way to the last day, for years. I was pretty pissed off that they said they owed me nothing. But with Legacy players omitted, I guess that would be true.

I closed the book on this for the simple reason that I felt all avenues of communication were dead, and all hopes of any compensation based on my continued Legacy players activity was not going to be considered.

If Dom's talks with them leads to some settlements for those of us that were making money from Legacy players like myself, that would be a nicer ending to this story for some. I would never trust them, or promote them again. But I certainly would like to be compensated for what I think was left out of the Audit and any settlement considerations.

I appreciate Dom's efforts. Thanks Dominique!

IMO anyone that has not filed a claim or contacted them and complained about not getting paid has closed the book on the issue. Plus if they have not googled to research the situration nor kept up with it then there is not much more anyone can do.

 

[triple777s]

I can find out exactly how much i got paid month by month from GP by using my Quicktender account. Thats where all my payments went and they are saved thier, so no guessing, actual stats, and i had neteller when referspot was paying me, but i can't get into that account anymore...

Has anyone else used quicktender for a month by month payment record?

 

[GamTrak]

I was under the distinct belief 100's if not 1000's of affiliates were screwed over by GP. It was the picture painted in countless forum threads. Or was this just a grandstand ploy to grab more attention!

Saying now the "majority" were paid, makes me go ???

Though it does join the dots, when one considers the number of people jumping up and down (in threads - screaming blue murder) compared to the actual number of claims submitted to eCOGRA.

I recall CM making comment to the low number of claims submitted.



What is the story...Are 100's or 1000's of affiliates still owed earnings & or earnings on legacy players?



You were also offered $7 I believe GamTrak and you told them to stick it. Rightly so - I would have too. However, given the legacy player disputes does anyone have a ball park figure on what GP rightfully owes them?


Cheers



Dave

I don't have the answers to your questions and the ones that may (Microgamming & Grand Prive) will never give the true story so it's not a concern of mine.

I never gave any numbers personally because I have no idea and only speak about stuff I'm sure of and only stated what applied and was true regarding my situation.

I know that some were paid prior to the "uproar" and some were not paid. I was offered a settlement based on a flawed audit and therefore refused the settlement of about $700 which I knew was not a fair picture of what I should have been paid. My settlement should have been five figures and Spearmaster (may he rest in peace) was gathering our data to show what we earned prior to the closure, but I'm not sure what happened with that.

I would be more than happy to have them pay me what I earned the year prior as a settlement and be done with it. I certainly hope that we don't have to have this conversation 2 more years down the road, but if that's how it goes down then so be it.

 

[Guard Dog]

There were several problems with the audit and is the reason why Dom has taken action (thanks Dom) on this:

1. Legacy Players were NOT accounted for.

2. Only affiliates filing claims were given settlements


Personally, I think ALL affiliates (regardless of filing a claim) should be paid. Putting the onus on affiliates when they may have no clue this is all going down is just a way to keep a percentage of the monies owed. I certainly hope they pay up, that would be a big win for affiliates, IMO.

 

[dominique]

From what I heard (not just from GP but affiliates too) affiliates who were productive were originally contacted (befor the audit) and settlements were offered and a per player price was individually negotiated and paid.

Legacy players had a different tag from the players who signed up under the microgaming system. My opinion is that this tag was not used to retrieve active players, only the microgaming tag appears to have been in the program that picked out the player numbers. (this is all microgaming's doing)

That is what accounts for why all the affiliates who say they are owed money also say it is on the old, faithful referspot players.

If the proper data still exists, only microgaming itself has it. They and their program screwed this up. The internal memos I saw did support that without a doubt. Many angry letters from GP to micro, and this ended up in their parting ways.

Anyways, getting people paid who may also have had legacy players but who did not file claims may not be possible. Only if Microgaming were to step up and provide the proper info would this be possible.

Legally, in such type of situations, people always have to file claims. That's why you see so many ads for class action suits on TV, the lawyers are trawling for more affected parties to file claims. If you don't file, you don't exist as far as the law goes.

That may not be fair, but it's the law.

My effort is to straighten out what happened with the claims. They will be looked at manually and each account's payment history will be examined and reimbursements will be based on this, since the tags are gone and inaccessible as far as GP goes.

Then the people who filed claims will be contacted by GP and settlement will be negotiated. This will not involve me at all, it is between GP and the individual affiliate.

I just hope this actually happens. My involvement basically ends here, I just met with them and clarified the issue and they will look at it and take it from here.

They were under the impression that the problem started with the mapping of players into the new system, done by microgaming. (Also one of the biggest messes we have seen). That is however not the case and therefor there are records of payments to affs including the legacy players and we have something to base reimbursements on. The player info is gone, but the payment records are there.

Personally, I think Microgaming needs to step up to the plate and fix the entire thing, they screwed this up. I hold next to no hope that this will actually happen.

 

[arkyt]

Legally, in such type of situations, people always have to file claims. That's why you see so many ads for class action suits on TV, the lawyers are trawling for more affected parties to file claims. If you don't file, you don't exist as far as the law goes.

That may not be fair, but it's the law.

Grand Prive, MGS, and ecogra etc are not exactly the law ... and we know aint no affiliate, least not very many, are going to bring any suits in the USA - aint gonna happen. Id guess even if an affiliate had been screwed over for high 6 figures they wouldnt have brought it to a USA court.

The way I recall it, dozens refused to even file claims because ecogra was requesting all kinds of personal information, which really was irrelevant to their investigation.

I doubt that MGS is going to step up and fix anything.

I also was under the impression that this wasnt just a few affiliates, but hundreds, thus my concern to see that they were ALL paid.

 

[casinobonusguy]

We filed a claim and got nothing despite having some very old loyal players ,on a bad month we were making $1300 or so a month .Even if they pay up all the old money ,they stole all our players and have kept all our earnings and will continue to keep them.
I think this is the time where we all must stand together to show the other programs we will not put up with this sort of action.How can any of us truly promote these guys again and sleep at night?
I am sure we will like the short term gains if they cut us some cheques but they have screwed us over in the worst possible way.I would think Microgaming keeps copies of all data for safety reasons and for sure Grand prive or what ever they call themselves must also have backups of their date.Think about it for a minute ,all of us with websites running on databases ,don't we keep backup copies?You telling me a big company like them don't have it as well?

This thread is not about Dom , she is a great Lady and she took the time to meet them but I think it is important for them to realise we won't be opening the door and welcoming them in if/when they pay up .When program screw affiliates ,once trust is gone you can pretend to get along ,share a meal or a coffee but the business potential and the relationship is over.If this happened a year or so ago maybe it would be different but for me too much time has passed now.

 

[Aussie-Dave]

Personally, I think Microgaming needs to step up to the plate and fix the entire thing, they screwed this up. I hold next to no hope that this will actually happen.

MGS have no reps on boards, refuses to answer any player based questions or be accountable to anyone. Yep that pretty much seals it. Microgaming wont lift a finger to rectify and fix their own screw up.


Cheers



Dave